I Will Deal With It

And Primrose says she is speculating on the information she puts on about Emily Thornberry!

Well, her husband is definitely The Hon Mr Justice Nugee. That's not speculation.

Labour Party Properties?
Are they not allowed to own their own offices?

What's her husband got to do with anything?
He's a high court judge.
Are you saying he fiddles his taxes, and hers?

I didn't think that judges and barristers actually gave legal advice in quite the way that Primrose seemed to be implying. Nugee became a barrister in 1983, if he ever ran any tax advice legal service it must have been before then.

Does having expertise in an area automatically make someone untrustworthy and self seeking?

All poor are deserving dj but not all who claim benefits are genuinely in need for eg. several years ago there was a man who went to the same gym as me. He'd catch the train into town, walk to the gym using 2 crutches, ditch them in the changing rooms and then run on the treadmill. He was receiving disability benefits but clearly didn't deserve them.

Just when did you become a doctor, social worker and benefits expert who was so good at all these things you could simply look at someone and, on the basis of them being at your gym and doing certain exercises must be declared to be not 'genuine' in his need. If it really is that obvious why haven't you done your duty as a citizen towards all other citizen's and reported him?

Re the recent taking of offence about opinions of right of centre to far right views. This is my prejudice in that I have done no research on it so it is based on one persons simple observation (not enough and not tested) - mine.

On this forum I have found those of a more right wing bias to be judgemental and have a 'scarcity' mindset. They appear to believe that we are about to run out of almost everything and we must therefore, hang on to everything we have managed to acquire, give less, take more and not worry about those who are then left in poverty or dealing with disability without out help or the wherewithal to do so.

This is not a moral judgement - I do not think these people are bad - but just as they see my views as wrong I think theirs are. I think there is an abundance of all that we need and if we share it and realise that most people can have a pretty good life with a bit of cooperation all round almost everyone would be able to have a reasonable life.

Oh GG you don't need to be a doctor, social worker and/or benefits expert to be able to see that a man who uses crutches to aid his walk to a gym and then runs on a treadmill shouldn't be receiving disability benefits.

How many people do you know require crutches to be able to walk but can run on a treadmill?

I didn't know his name and when I asked no one would tell me; perhaps they knew that if I did I would have reported him.

As know one has posted to the contrary, it's reasonable to assume that we all agree that "there is an abundance of all that we need and if we share it and realise that most people can have a pretty good life with a bit of cooperation all round almost everyone would be able to have a reasonable life".

You give people less than 15 minutes to agree or disagree?

There is an abundance. There is enough food in the world for everyone to have enough to eat and not starve to death. Tell that to the people of Yemen.
Unfortunately there is not the will to share, which is what I assume GracesGran is referring to.
Tories usually want more than their fair share of any cake, in my opinion.

Did you really ask his name, Smileless?
Why did you not go and talk to him? He'd have probably told you.

I am curious, Smileless. How did you find out the man was in receipt of disability benefits?

^ Nugee became a barrister in 1983, if he ever ran any tax advice legal service it must have been before then.^
He was an off shore tax specialist barrister. He worked in his dad's chambers (I'm sure there was no nepotism involved) It's interesting to me that you're happy to defend people yet you have absolutely no idea what they do.
You're lucky that Emily Thornberry didn't buy up your ex-LA house then evict you, like she did to an Islington tenant. He didn't realise she was the new owner and actually went to her as his MP to complain. You couldn't make this stuff up!

Exactly, MamaCaz, didn't know his name but knew he was on benefits.

And even if he is, without knowing the exact nature of the disability for which benefit is being received, we don't know that the need for crutches is anything to do with it.

I would like to point out that while I have never been in receipt of a disability benefit, I have been crippled by a bad back from time to time, in agony both sitting and standing, and unable to straighten up much more than 45%, let alone walk more than a few steps. However, with DH's help to get my bike out of the shed, and to mount it, I was able to cycle perfectly well. I am quite sure that I too would have been thought a fraudster too, had I been known to be or suspected of getting any kind of disability benefit at the time.

I remember getting disability benefits for a man with severe Parkinson's disease. He had been a fanatical golfer. Once a week his wife still took him to the golf course and he played six holes. For some reason, while he was playing those six holes he seemed almost back to normal. But he could only manage 6 holes never any more

His GP knew about this and seemed to see nothing remarkable in it. He said he had seen similar things, before in other people with the same disease. He mentioned a patient who could still manage to swim a couple of lengths despite his very real and disabling illness.

The one thing I learnt when I worked volunteer Home adviser for a charity was that how someone looked or walked down the road was absolutely no guide at all to the severity of their health problems or disability. I could quote you client after client with severe medical problems and/or in great pain who if seen in the street would appear perfectly normal.

Yes dj I really did ask someone his name and doubt very much he'd have given me his full name if I'd asked him; would you to someone you didn't know?

I agree that you can't always tell what ailments someone has just by seeing them in the street, but seeing a man walking with the aid of 2 crutches is IMO a pretty good indicator. Why walk with crutches to assist you if you can run on a treadmill?

"When I asked nobody would tell me."
I should hope not. Breaking the data protection act if they did.

More to the point, how do you know he was claiming benefits?
Did he have a badge to declare it?

Maybe it was the guy Emily Thornberry evicted from his house when she became his landlord.

He was an off shore tax specialist barrister.

Primrose does this person need defending. As far as I am aware being a barrister - even one who is a 'tax specialist' - is so far not a criminal act.

Could that not mean that he was a specialist in getting us tax back?

Smileless

1. How did you know 'he', whose name you don't even know, was getting some form of benefit?
2. How do you know he had claimed it for something to do with the crutches?
3. Have you ever heard of invisible illnesses, i.e., ones you cannot see merely by looking at someone? (I have two).
4. Why do you need to attack a man whose name you don't know on GN?
5. Why do you feel the need to judge a complete stranger?

Why do you feel the need to judge a complete stranger?



I'm sure you'll tell us all why gg

I've no idea Primrose and can't think why you would think I have.