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Gracesgran

1. It was common knowledge

2. It's possible but highly unlikely IMO, yes this is my opinion, that someone who walks with the aid of 2 crutches would be in receipt of the benefit without his/her apparent inability to walk without the aid of crutches being a factor.

3. A question previously asked and answered.

4. Using this man, whose name I don't know and if I did I couldn't put it on GN as an example of benefit fraud is not attacking him.

5. Why do you?

Smileless2012 Have you never heard of hidden disabilities?
Using this man as an example of benefit fraud is indeed attacking him and opening the door to attacks on people with hidden disabilities everywhere.
I suggest the next time someone talks about this man and benefit fraud you point out there are many hidden disabilities and he may well be suffering from one or more of them.
This should help educate you:
"Hidden disabilities can include some people with dexterity difficulties such as repetitive strain injury. It may also include those who are hard of hearing or have mental health difficulties. However, it is probably more commonly used (particularly in media terms) in relation to people who have disabling medical conditions of one sort or another. However the list of medical conditions that may be regarded as hidden disabilities is very long and the effects of these different conditions are varied. It can include people with epilepsy, diabetes, sickle cell
condition, chronic fatigue syndrome or ME, cystic fibrosis, cancer, HIV and AIDS, and heart, liver or kidney problems. The conditions may be short term or long term stable or progressive constant or unpredictable and fluctuating controlled by medication or another treatment, or untreatable.
Disabling medical conditions can often have a considerable impact on a person’s everyday life, which can have an adverse knock-on effect on working life. They may cause fatigue or pain and this may be continual or intermittent. They can cause sleep problems, seizures, incontinence or dizziness. The impact of hidden disabilities on daily life and study can be considerable: they often interfere with concentration and stamina, as can the medications that are used to treat them. Rather like long term disabled people, those with hidden disabilities may be well and coping one week and absent from your vision the next, and they can have difficulties meeting deadlines or participating in group work. It may not be possible for them to arrange medical appointments or regular treatments that do not clash with day to day life.
Because of the variation in symptoms it is not possible to generalise about how hidden disabilities may affect work. Some people who get to know you may just want you to be aware in case they have difficulties or a medical emergency, such as fainting or a seizure. You should be aware of what to do in case of medical emergencies. Some people may wish their colleagues to know about their medical condition and may be willing to discuss it openly. Others may want their privacy protected and may want discretion and confidentialty."
This man is obviously doing his best to stay fit, what a pity in doing so he has encountered such prejudice.

Yes trisher I have, it was point 3 made by Gracesgran, previously made by another poster and responded too so I'm not going to respond to it again; discounting this response of course.

Thank you, but I don't need educating with regard to hidden disabilities.

Sorry, but if you are accusing someone you don't know of benefit fraud on the evidence you have presented, you do. It is your attitude and people like you who have made disability rights so difficult to achieve. You have demonstrated prejudice and bias against someone whose name you do not even know. If this had been on the basis of race or religion it would be illegal. But of course it is only based on a disability so it doesn't matter does it?

What difference would it have made if I did know his name and said so? I quite rightly couldn't have put his name here on GN.

My example was given because of an unwillingness or inability to accept that not all who are in receipt of benefits are entitled to them. Those who claim any benefit to which they're not entitled do significant harm to those truly in need.

I wish there was a [yawn] icon.

Let's not talk about anything. Let's just find someone then analyse 27 words they wrote to death, give them condescending lectures, make some assumptions and accuse them of thinking them and then try and blame them for every political decision made that we don't like. Sounds like a real laugh.

But smileless, we are trying to tell you YOU DON'T KNOW if he is entitled to them or not, or even if he gets them, do you?
DO YOU?

I agree, and I think we all would, that "those who claim any benefit to which they're not entitled do significant harm to those truly in need".

What I'm still not clear about though, smileless, is how do you know he's on benefits. "It's common knowledge"?

Perhaps GNHQ could give us one Primrose

Exactly, durhamjen and devongirl.

Primrose65 we are talking about disability benefits and those who claim them and how it is impossible (despite what the tabloids want you to believe) to identify people with disabilities from appearances. You may not consider this important but for people with hidden disabilities it can mean living a life where they are gossiped about and shunned, which is what it seems is happening to the man at Smileless2012 's gym.
He may for example have arthritis which makes movement difficult when he has been sitting, and he finds using the gym enables him to loosen up and eventually use a treadmill. Smileless2012 although she has no medical expertise and has never spoken to him apparently knows better.

What moral high horse riding from some........nobody who needs to walk with the aid of crutches can run on a treadmill, so Smileless is absolutely right, do no posters think there are a few dodgy people out there claiming disability allowance? There are.

There are those who think the Labour Party are all saints, surely hypocracy can be seen. There are those on the Labour side who avoid tax ( as well as others from different political parties) and massive hypocracy from some in Corbyns inner circle who send their children to grammar schools and private schools whilst howling about the iniquity of selective schools!

In fact...was is happening on here, is that Smileless is being got at by the Labour supporting comrades, so obvious!
Move on.

I get really upset when people try and claim when they're not entitled. There was a story about a guy who claimed he lost his family in Grenfell Towers and took money from the victims' charity. Nearly £10k in total, according to the Guardian.
I don't think anyone thinks everyone claims wrongly. I don't think anyone thinks no-one claims wrongly.
Why such a long argument over a random person?

rosesarered nobody who needs to walk with the aid of crutches can run on a treadmill
Mental health problems can convince people of all sorts of things, such as a dependence on crutches, but perhaps you think this isn't a disability ?

" living a life where they are gossiped about "

Exactly what's happening here on this thread. Let's all stop gossiping.

It isn't about one person Primrose65 there are hundreds if not thousands of disabled people who suffer every day because of negative attitudes like this.

Sorry roses, I wasn't aware that supporting people who may have genuine disabilities, or who don't but aren't claiming benefits, was a preserve of labour supporters?

Well, going on about disabilty puts off talking about the Labour Party and it's shortcomings I guess Primrose it's a diversionary tactic.

I'm NOT gossiping I'm CAMPAIGNING for equal rights for all disabled people

We should all support those with genuine problems, but only a fool would think that there are not also those who seek to con.

Galen. could probably tell you a thing or two trisher about these matters.

Back to politics anybody?

No one here is campaigning. It's arguing trisher
I'm blinded by the virtue signalling on these threads sometimes.