I Will Deal With It

Yes please roses Best suggestion today

Campaigning for equal rights for all disabled people is politics, roses.

www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud

Quite interesting to look at if we are worried about fraud.

Primrose

Good link, Penstemmon. I hope those who talk about benefit fraud are just as concerned about tax fraud. After all, benefit fraud is a whole 2% of overall fraud to the system.

It isn't "virtue signalling" to try to get someone to understand that there pre-conceived and ill founded ideas may be wrong. Yes there may be people who are receiving benefits they are not entitled to and your man may be one of them, but none of the things you have posted PROVE he is. It is prejudice like this that causes so much distress for people with hidden disabilities. And I have and do campaign for disability rights since the 1990s. What amazes me is that there are still people who consider they can identify people with disabilities just by looking.

Wow.
I had no idea public sector fraud is so high. I actually found other sources as I didn't believe the numbers when I first saw it.

"Fraud in the public sector of around £37.5 billion and is equivalent to 5.5 per cent of the £694 billion spent annually. Central government bears the majority of this cost at around £30 billion per year. Procurement fraud is again a major source of losses, costing central and local Government a combined £10.5 billion per year."

Experian study with the Centre for Counter Fraud Studies 2016
www.experian.co.uk/assets/identity-and-fraud/pkfexperian-fraud-indicator-report.pdf

I thought using the phrase 'virtue signalling', a bit like 'politically correct', was the political right's way of trying to diminish the truth

I always knew Benefit Fraud was a relatively small amount.It is also offset by the number of people who don't claim benefits because of the difficulties involved in filling in the forms and fear of condemnation because they don't look as if they are disabled. A friend's daughter with Aspergers was very upset by the questions about suicide.

I thought speculating on the political views of someone based on 2 words is a sign of lazy thinking.

Benefit fraud is a small amount. Public sector fraud is massive.

Nope Penstemon..... virtue signalling is done by followers of all political parties,
All it needs is an individual who fondly imagines that only they have the necessary insight, wisdom and compassion, and that others lack it.Otherwise known as high horse riding.

Benefit fraud goes on, at least that has now been aknowledged!

Now can we move on?

It's disgraceful. Like you Primrose I waswhen I saw the figures.

It's almost the entire education spend (£40b)

How selective can you get, primrose.
74% of fraud is through the private sector, £144 billion.

That matters just as much, surely?
The biggest element of fraud is procurement fraud, companies putting in inflated prices when they tender for government business, e.g., in the NHS, etc.
Very worrying when you think of how many companies are involved in NHS procurement.
Benefit fraud is puny by comparison.
I read an article yesterday about a company charging supposed students £21,000 if they left the course early, even thogh they had to pay for the course and got no grants or anything. The course was two years, I think, and even if they were offered work in the meantime, they could not take it as it would have cost them £21,000.

That's fraud. Can't remember the name of the company, but it's one that gets lots of government contracts.
Has anyone else seen it?

No, I haven't seen it dj it beggars belief that someone can get away with it.

Fraud is fraud, big or small and should be stamped out. It makes you wonder if the bigger the fraud in monetary terms, the easier it is to get away with; a bit like hiding in plain sight.

Sure it matters durhamjen but I have no recourse to private sector companies unless I'm a majority shareholder. And it's a significantly smaller amount compared to revenue. And spread over hundreds of thousands of businesses. And if it impacts the cost/value delivered by that company, I can choose an alternative product.

That's why public sector fraud is different.

How much is procurement fraud? Where are you getting the numbers from?

Not many TV programmes made about procurement fraud but several about benefit fraud.
Not that many headlines about all the private sector'backhanders' but plenty about the undeserving poor!
Who is is that runs the media??
Oh big business whose pals and benefactors get rich from procurement fraud!

I see the exposure of the freeholder/leaseholder greed is beginning to unravel . I expect to see James Tuttiett's name a little more now! Whilst all legal is seems to be total avarice!

They just don't get it, do they, Penstemmon.

twitter.com/willquince/status/890530368843112449

Of course public sector fraud is different, it's our money after all.That doesn't mean that private company fraud is alright in any way.Of course posters 'get it' durhamjen but feel that our money should not be taken by fraudsters.

The media in all it's forms needs to give balanced coverage to
all types of fraud. That'll be the day wont it, when there's balanced coverage by everyone on every subject.

Do you have an aversion to question marks, durhamjen?