I Will Deal With It

So not allowed to ask a question of you? Isn't that a bit dictatorial? Oh hey maybe you don't know why you did it. Or maybe you don't know what 'spamming' means or maybe you are just interested in causing upset. Anyway it's your post and it's unnecessary but stay on the defensive and pretend there is a socialist conspiracy around. As Maybot takes the flack for a failed Tory government and we lurch towards a chaotic Brexit discussing the meaning of 5 words is like fiddling while Rome burns.

dj

trisher the only person to try and derail the thread and cause upset certainly isn't Primrose
Sadly it seems that some can't bear to have the tiniest aspersion cast on the saintly Corbyn.
The OP started the thread because it has been in the news this last week that JC hadn't the foggiest idea how much not charging tuition fees would cost!
Had he got into power at the last GE ( and hello! He didn't.) then he would have started backtracking fast on that promise to young people.
A cynical ploy by him and his ramshackle cabinet.

rar at least get your facts straight before you comment- "I will deal with it" was a remark made about student debt- not tuition fees.
Student debt is a huge problem and everyone knows it is and no-one has the solution, but it WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH!
Tuition fees are a different question and yes he promised to abolish them. for the simple reason they are clogging the economy and limiting access to higher ed.
But hey when someone doesn't know the difference between the debt and tuition fees or chooses not to know what can you do?
It isn't about Corbyn really. It is about acknowledging the huge mistake tuition fees were and student debt is. But people choose to personalise the argument because they really don't have a solution and it's much easier to target an individual than look at the facts.

I don't think that Corbyn knew how much not charging tuition fees would cost or how much debt there is.He doesn't seem to know much about figures, just like Dianne Abbott.
It certainly is about Corbyn, because he garnered a huge younger vote by promising to solve all University fee/debt problems at a stroke if he got into power.
I wonder how they will all feel right now? Older and wiser perhaps.

Yeah, it's definitely about Corbyn.

Corbyn promised to end tuition fees. That was in the Manifesto and was FULLY COSTED. He DID NOT promise to clear all old student debt!
Two different issues are being deliberately seen as one in the right wing press and on here by some people who haven't read the Corbyn interview.

He did know how much it would cost to end tuition fees as it is clearly in the Manifesto.

Student debt will now amount to £100,000 per student by the time the new interest rates are applied (6%!)

No point in telling them that, though, because they'd rather believe DM rubbish.

I know * durhamjen* . Even the BBC Today interviewers allow people to repeat this "Corbyn has betrayed students" line without correcting them!

Let's hope the younger generation appreciate the realities of the situation and aren't as confused as some on GN are. But then I suppose if you are facing ever increasing tuition fees and a debt for life you will be fully aware of the differences. perhaps if the posters on GN were in a similar situation they might try to at least understand what is happening.

Goodness, if we had been able to post "The U-turn That Never Was" on page 1 we could have all saved ourselves a great deal of effort, particularly those trying to prove their was a U-turn.

trisher It's satire. It's not about destroying arguments.

Of course satire is about destroying arguments. If it isn't based on fact it doesn't work.

The good thing is that younger people do not get most of their information from the BBC, they get it from social media and online news.

That doesn't stop me despairing of the fact that the Beeb has swallowed the Tory propaganda though.

Be careful GGMK2* you are in danger of being classed as one of the Socialist reindeer collective that are shitting on this thread! (and if you want to join you can't be Prancer or Comet dj and me have grabbed those!)
I'm glad you posted about satire I did wonder if I was losing my marbles even more than I thought, or perhaps someone had changed the meaning the way they seem to now, you know like the 'caring Tory party'.

trisher

durhamjen Sat 29-Jul-17 14:57:38
They just don't get it, do they, Penstemmon.

twitter.com/willquince/status/890530368843112449

Irony.

The definitive factcheck on student fees?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-students-have-been-misled-and-lied-to-for-20-years

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/no-corbyn-did-not-pledge-to-abolish-student-debt

Tories don't want there to be too many university students.

"There was a remarkable admission in Saturday’s Telegraph. One that many of us have intuited for a long time but never expected to see simply admitted by those behind the constant attempts to deceive people into supporting a Tory party that robs them:

Being unintelligent and uneducated helps you vote Conservative.

There you have it: education makes you move left and reject the idiocy of voting for a party that has only the interests of its insiders at heart."

The article is behind a paywall, which obviously I am not going to pay for.

Sounds right to me.

But that's not what the original article says durhamjen. I think the fake news generators bank on the fact that you won't access journalism behind a paywall.
I'm lucky enough to have access to all the papers through uni.

It's an article about lack of prospects for graduates.
"There is a chasm, for example, between the number achieving legal degrees and those receiving training contracts. Where do they end up? Presumably in careers far less lucrative than the law."
It includes a bit about groupthink
"In this stultifying culture of uniformity, different views are discouraged "
And concludes that
"When students can more easily identify which courses are worth pursuing and where they are less likely to be so dispirited by their prospects that they become easy prey for the far-Left."

Happy to cut and paste the whole article if you think I'm putting a spin on it, because I'm not.

Well, it would wouldn't it?!
Don't believe all that you read.