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Why are we leaving?

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yggdrasil Thu 05-Oct-17 08:49:38

This vid says a lot. Especially why the EU finds our government's attitude so incomprehensible

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgu6pFz5oxA

(it is about 8 mins long)

durhamjen Tue 10-Oct-17 16:59:09

Fox being outfoxed.

infacts.org/brexiters-trade-dreams-going-smoke/

Welshwife Tue 10-Oct-17 17:31:45

The pilots union BALPA have warned today about cancellation of flights if no agreement.o

whitewave Tue 10-Oct-17 17:33:48

Blimey we live in interesting times!! It is astounding what will happen if no deal.

MaizieD Tue 10-Oct-17 17:38:51

This is a most extraordinary blog post by Pete North, a long term Leave campaigner and formerly respected by both Leave and Remain voters for realistic and well thought out proposals for how to achieve leaving the EU.

He's now saying that to leave with No Deal will be a complete and utter disaster for the UK but that's fine because we'll come out of it cleansed and vastly improved by the experience.

Here's just a taste:

In the first year or so we are going to lose a lot of manufacturing. Virtually all JIT export manufacturing will fold inside a year. Initially we will see food prices plummet but this won't last. Domestic agriculture won't be able to compete and we'll see a gradual decline of UK production. UK meats will be premium produce and no longer affordable to most.

Once food importers have crushed all UK competition they will gradually raise their prices, simply because they can. Meanwhile wages will stay depressed and because of the collapse of disposable income and availability of staff, we can probably expect the service sector to take a big hit thus eliminating all the jobs that might provide a supplementary income.

Across the board we will see prices rising. There will be some serendipitous benefits but nothing that offsets the mass job losses. We will see a lot of foreign investment dry up and banking services will move to the EU. Dublin and Frankfurt. I expect that house prices will start to fall, but that's not going to do anyone any favours in the short to mid term.

peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/i-dont-like-this-brexit-but-i-will-live.html#disqus_thread

Comments are interesting to read, too.

It strikes me that this is not a great deal different from Remainer predictions; which are always dismissed as fanciful.

whitewave Tue 10-Oct-17 18:05:20

Nothing to say really maize

??????

durhamjen Tue 10-Oct-17 18:29:13

Sounds a bit like Uber, crush opposition, then raise prices.

Do you think it's a spoof, Maizie? Why do we need to be cleansed?

mostlyharmless Tue 10-Oct-17 18:50:54

Well that's a relief!

At least there will be a new cultural revival springing from the starving youth.

During the ten year recession.......

mostlyharmless Tue 10-Oct-17 18:51:34

I can't wait!

durhamjen Tue 10-Oct-17 18:52:44

Being positive, mostlyharmless.
Obesity will decrease?

whitewave Tue 10-Oct-17 19:02:37

Given that there is nothing practical being done with regard to a no deal -has it occurred to anyone that there might be food shortages?
Perhaps we ought to start stocking up.

MaizieD Tue 10-Oct-17 19:14:38

Well, someone on Richard North's (he's Pete's father, I believe) blog said that the ration books have already been printed... shock

What the hell is this government up to?

whitewave Tue 10-Oct-17 19:18:29

Yes I read that. Wonder how they will sell that to the great British public. Probably got contingency plans to entirely blame Europe

durhamjen Tue 10-Oct-17 19:19:18

This is what is needed.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/its-time-to-nationalise-bae-systems/

This was first mooted in 1976 by Lucas Aerospace. Maybe its time has come.

mostlyharmless Tue 10-Oct-17 19:20:46

Back to wartime economy, keeping hens in the back yard, digging for victory, subsisting on soup and potatoes.

Oh no even eggs were rationed weren't they?

Well we won't be spoilt and self indulgent. That's good!

mostlyharmless Tue 10-Oct-17 19:23:44

And house prices will fall. That means the younger generation will be able to get on the "housing ladder".

If they have a job.....

Welshwife Tue 10-Oct-17 19:56:43

I read that piece earlier today - really depressing reading - why on earth would ANYONE think that was an OK possibility?
I see also today that TM has said she cannot guarantee EU citizens can remain in UK if there is a no deal. That would fit in with the skeleton health service the North fellow talks about.

mostlyharmless Tue 10-Oct-17 20:08:47

I just feel helpless.

Is there nothing we can do to stop, or at least soften, Brexit apart from signing the odd petition?

durhamjen Tue 10-Oct-17 20:09:39

We need a four day week as well.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/need-4-day-week-tackle-multiple-crises-work/

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Oct-17 20:29:50

Who is Pete North Maizie? Is there a biog of him anywhere.

I just wonder how many older people would survive all that but, even if it's the worst possibility it is a possibility.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Oct-17 20:35:02

It sounds as if what the EU did to Greece we are doing to ourselves. So much for 'austerity' keeping it from happening.

MaizieD Tue 10-Oct-17 20:58:01

This is Richard North, GG

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._E._North

This is his blog (40 pages of blog titles archived here) :

www.eureferendum.com/archive.aspx

It starts in June 2015 but he's been actively anti-EU since the 1970s

I don't know much about Pete North, apart from what I have seen of him on twitter. The second commenter on this 2015 blog seems to have worked out some biographical details:

jonworth.eu/a-response-to-pete-north/

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Oct-17 21:06:48

I think I found a bit more Maizie - is he the one who is the a founding member of The Leave Alliance do you think? There is a bit at the bottom of this page with a picture. What do you think?

MaizieD Tue 10-Oct-17 21:19:37

I'm not sure what page you're on, GG but yes, that's him.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Oct-17 21:29:48

I needed to go and do that bit of research because what he says is quite shocking but I do feel ...

More to do with how the government is managing things than actually leaving perhaps.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Oct-17 21:36:35

More May problems:
Legal advice saying Brexit can be reversed shows Theresa May's huge strategic error on Article 50