Corbyn's Magnetism

And yet Jon Lansman, leader of Momentum and Corbyn supporter has admitted there IS a problem.

"Jon Lansman, who is himself Jewish, said Labour must do more to “stamp out” anti-Semitism in the party"

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2017/12/29/three-kinds-anti-semitism-labour-ranks-momentum-leader-admits/

By the way, monica, when did you last vote for the labour party? Is that an empty threat?

Monica - "I have never voted for either of the main parties"

That was an easy search, less than a year ago.

Blooming heck! Stalking?

trisher Regarding the facebook group Palestine Live where you think no one has mentioned the others and believe Corbyn has been singled out.

I mentioned the others trisher. My post of Thu 08-Mar-18 11:29:45 on Pg 1 of The Labour Party thread where I said

"Clive Lewis is a member of the group, so are Seb Corbyn and Chris Williamson."

I think other posters found different aspects of the conversation more pressing at the time, but it was certainly noted that he was not the only one there.

There is a paywall on the Telegraph site but Lansman here describes the three categories of anti Semitism within the Labour Party.

From the Jewish Chronicle

"A number of members suspended from the Labour Party in the past two years over allegations of antisemitism have been Momentum activists. Mr Lansman’s group has repeatedly said it opposes Jew-hatred and all forms of racism.

He told the Limmud audience: “There is antisemitism in the Labour Party, I think it falls into three categories. There’s the kind of petty remarks about big noses, which are dreadful, completely unacceptable antisemitism. People make petty xenophobic remarks and some are made against Jews. I don’t think there’s much of that.

“There’s the antisemitism that arrives from the Israel-Palestine conflict. We all understand that when that conflict heats up, it results in dreadful antisemitism. It shouldn’t result in that, but it does.

“The third type is extremely rare, it’s the real old-school antisemitism that believes in blood libels and so on. I don’t think there’s a lot of that. But there is a lot of denial of antisemitism.”

Day6 Just catching up with the thread and you're right - there were a lot of MPs supporting the protest. About 30 apparently from all parties.
I'm sure someone will compile a complete list. I know Sajid Javid was standing next to Chuka Umunna, which I thought was good on both of them.

Since when was using the search facility called stalking?
What's the point of saying you will never vote for the labour party if you never have done before?
It's a bit daft putting that on gransnet if you don't mean it. Like I said, an empty threat.

By the way, it was a thread started by phoenix. Anyone seen her lately?

"Luciana Berger made an impassioned speech at PLP and got a standing ovation from everyone except shadow cabinet. Many other MPs made speeches against antisemitism with one MP describing it as ‘most emotional and powerful PLP I’ve ever seen’."

(Paul Brand, ITV Political Correspondent)

Apparently, John Mann was so angry that every word he said was audible through the walls.

What MOnica wrote, dj, was "I will never ever ever again even consider voting Labour, let alone actually vote for the party."

It is quite possible to consider voting for a particular party many times, without actually doing so. I have done it myself. What she has written now is perfectly consistent with the rather statement you dug up. She is now making the point that now she wouldn't even consider it, a significant move from her earlier stance.

M0nica might even be tempted to say You really should read more carefully and not put words in my mouth.

As for the mural in question, most passers-by along Brick Lane would probably not have identified any of the people sitting at the table with particular individuals (least of all Crowley), but just as a bunch of plutocrats oppressing the poor.

To that extent, whether or not it appeared anti-semitic would have been a matter for each individual according to his or her own perceptions and prejudices, and in that context JC's original comment seems pretty unremarkable, and not worth digging up if he had not become leader of a political party.

The trouble is, he and his team have been so bad at dealing with these issues as they arise. But that's the problem with 'useful idiots' - that's just what they are.

"I have never voted for either of the main parties, again not out of loyalty, there have been a number of occasions when I have come very close to voting for both Labour and Conservatives, but on each occasion the nature of the leader (Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher respectively) stopped me.

Now I would never vote Labour because since I got the vote in 1964 we have not had one economically and financially competent Labour government. Gordon Brown came so close to it, but even then he blew it in the end. I can not see myself voting Comservative because I can not support any party whose blind belief in market forces can make them so blind to its inhumanities."

This is what she actually wrote, Grumppa and Chewbacca.
Her own words from a thread entitled "I've always been a lifelong ....."

Maybe you should try searching yourself, Chewbacca, before you malign me.

It was hardly a threat though grumppa which it sounded as if she meant it to be. She has never voted Labour and will never vote Labour. Gosh!

Dear old fashioned you grumppa. It's years since I have heard the expression "useful idiots". Isn't it a bit out of date with no USSR?

Perhaps we should use it for those who get led by the nose by the MSM these days.

Of course every word that John Mann said was heard outside the room. It was meant to be heard. He has form.

Another diversion from those sticking up for Corbyn. Attack MOnica, make that the issue. It is pathetic!

There are lots of people who have lost faith in Labour and would never consider voting for them.

Reasons why not.

* Corbyn tends to defend enemies of the west
* Corbyn does U turns and bows to pressure. He is totally inconsistent.
* Corbyn is surrounded by hard left politicians like himself. Moderates have been silenced.
* Momentum now determines who will represent Labour. Candidates have to be Corbynistas
* Corbyn tried to exonerate Russia from any dealings in the nerve agent used on British soil. Even his own Labour MPs back the PM in taking measures against Russia.
* Corbyn's default mode/automatic reaction is to go against the UK government on any issue, even ones of national security
* Corbyn has been linked to THREE anti-Semitic Facebook groups. Another one has been unearthed.
* Corbyn believes mural depicting Jews getting rich on the backs of subservient workers is ok because it involves the right to free speech.
* Corbyn's party's anti-Semitism sees the Jewish community rally against him in protest.
* Corbyn apologised because of political pressure and public outrage - an apology that had to be dragged out of him.
* Corbyn has upset and angered the feminist cause in backing men who identify as women standing for roles designated to women. Many female members have torn up their membership papers.

Those reasons, in the space of a few weeks. His supporters defend the indefensible.

It's years since I have heard the expression "useful idiots".

You need to read a bit more. The term has resurfaced and is used mainly against those naive young who think they'll have a bit of a revolution if they vote for Corbychev.

It has been used widely in many publications and on line now Corbychev and his hard left henchmen are running the Labour party.

Corbychev

Well - I've certainly used the phrase 'useful idiot' quite a few times on GN, as have others.

Interesting bit of detail in The Guardian coverage of the protest. Apparently, there have been complaints about Corbyn and the mural which have been ignored by the LP. "Shemtob’s complaint in 2017 came after a Labour councillor, John Clarke, shared a tweet by a neo-Nazi containing slurs against Israel and the Rothschild family."

There are instances coming to light where Labour is sharing content originating from neo-Nazis. There were the Duke videos in 'Palestine live', now this.

How can a Labour councillor retweet Neo-Nazis? What the hell is going on?

For The Many
Not The Jew
Labour's new slogan

Thought I'd share saw this on Facebook very apt in my opinion. For the record my grandmother was Jewish.

GGG, If you read, my previous post you will see that it was labours spokesman on R4 at lunch time that engendered such a visceral repulsion from the Labour Party. The more I listen to Labour party spokespeople the more the phrase 'Fellow Travellers comes to mind and more and more I realise that Animal Farm is becoming real life.

Corbychev! How inspired is that! --dont think some will like it though--

ninny
Thanks for the first ? of the day.
MOnica
Your not the only one to mention sewage.
Quoted yesterday jeramy is knee deep in sewage and can't smell the stink

Thoughts from. Jewish Labour member

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