Corbyn's Magnetism

An excellent comment from Rhea Wolfson. Unfortunately those who should read it will not, as it's a tweet and they are suspicious of your tweets, whitewave.

The demo yesterday showed how deep the division of the party is. The MP's would stood with the Jews are the true Labour Party, the rabble shouting show the true far left.

The Jewish News is the leading Jewish newspaper in the U.K.

Headlines

“Jeremy Corbyn is anti racist- he is not Antisemitic”

The article then goes on to describe Corbyn as one of the least racist members of Parliament.

They then ask the question “would you prefer to put your trust in someone who has throughout his life fought racism in all its forms, or the Tory party with its record of Islamaphobia and black racism?”

If the Tory party took the same approach it would have sacked Boris Johnson, Aiden Burley, and Lynton Crosby.

The Tory party is deeply tainted by racism and anti-semitism.

“The idea that Britain’s leading anti-racist politician is the key problem the Jewish community faces is an absurdity, a distraction and a massive error.”

I hope they don’t live to regret this miscarriage of justice

ninny isn't that post anti-semitic?
If your grandmother was a Jew shouldn't either your mother or your father be Jewish as well? Doesn't Judaism pass through the female line? It's one of the many things that fascinates me about it as a faith.

One of the things which might help with what is called left-wing anti-semitism, and is so confused with action in support of the Palestinian people, which is a cause that appeals to young people, would be a concerted effort to exert international pressure to improve the lives of Palestinian civilians. The British government could initiate this, but understandably they won't will they?

ninny isn't that post anti-semitic?

No - not at all trisher and certainly not in the context of ninny's post.

You don't seem to be very clear about what anti-semitism is at all.

She was my paternal grandmother and she married a non Jewish English man so not passed down the line.

That's not a headline ww - it was an 'opinion' piece - one of 3 different opinion pieces they ran today. You can tell it's an opinion piece - it says "OPINION" before the heading.
To say it's a 'headline' is rather misleading.

It's almost as though you're trying to portray the protestors as a fringe group in the Jewish community.

I believe in this debate that it has to be remembered that the Labour party has grown in recent years to now have a membership of over half a million. Many of those new members have been recruited by grassroots activists in both the trade union movement and Momentum (or the same individuals acting for both organisations).

In the above, many signed up in such a manner are persons who have seen their employment prospects, pay and conditions very much affected by immigration, especially migrant agency labour. Therefore, such individuals view immigration and race as very much not in their interest and expand those thoughts within the Labour party often finding sympathy from others with similar experience to the above.

Anti-Semitism is also connected to the above (I believe) based on a false view that as with other religious groups the Jewish community only recruit within their own, and fail to integrate fully into society.

Evidence of the foregoing can be seen in how the Labour heartlands in the North voted so heavily to leave the EU in the Brexit referendum. That vote without doubt was nothing short of a "stop immigration" demand and the anti-Semitism now found in the Labour party is an extension of that.

With the above in mind, Jeremy Corbyn has been misguided in equating his support for Palestinian rights with anti-Semitism in the wider Labour Party (I believe) which indeed are not the same agenda.

The foregoing is not to state that the views and actions within the Labour party and the wider Labour movement are correct or in any way my own views. However, I believe that it does demonstrate that race, religious groupings and immigration are not just affecting the Labour movement, but all our lives. Just look to the Brexit vote for evidence to that.

chewbacca and grumppa, thank you for making clearer, what was obviously too deeply obfuscated for some.

I admit I once considered voting Conservative, but then none of us is perfect!, but Labour has been in the frame at every election. However, in the face of the current government I had forgotten how monumentally economically incompetent Labour is. Thank you for reminding me!

But there is something so very deeply unpleasant about anti-semitism. Something that smacks so much, not just of nazi-ism, but of the gulag, It is in the sinews of both extreme right and the extreme left and the problem with Labour at the moment is that we see too many manhole blowing their covers and revealing the foul stuff that courses under the surface. If there wasn't a problem, Mr Corbyn would not need to deny it so often. I am reminded of the old saying 'The more he talked of his Honour, the faster we counted the spoons'

By the way dj You must have quite a dossier on me to be able to pick these quotes up so quickly. If Labour win, I will expect to find life being made difficult for me in many subtle ways.

Grandad1943 That's an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. I'll think about it!

We're living in strange times, when Unite the Union is promoting protests against people who are protesting about anti-semitism. I would not be surprised if there are multiple causes of what I think are pretty crazy times.

Letter in the Guardian today

“ we are very concerned at the rise of antisemitism, especially under extreme right wing government in central and Eastern Europe, in the US under Donald Trump and here in Britain under Theresa May premiership. The recent extensive survey by the highly respected Jewish Policy Research confirmed that the main repository of antiemetic views in Britain is among supporters of the conservatives and UKIP.
The political context, alongside de lining support for the Tories, reveals the malicious intent behind the flimsy accusations of Antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. These accusations have come from the unrepresentative Board of Deputies and the unelected self proclaimed Jewish leadership council - two bodies dominated by the Tory Party.
Between now and the local elections the Tories would love to divert the electorate on to accusations of antisemitism against Labour rather than have us discuss austerity cuts to local authority budgets the health service and social care. Many Jews within and beyond the Labour Party are suffering from these policies along with the rest of the population and apposition them vehemently.
We have worked alongside Jeremy Corbyn in campaigns against racism and bigotry, including Antisemitism, for many years, and we have faith in a Labour government led by JC nd Labour councils across the country, will be best placed to implement serious measures against racism and dis crimnation in all its forms.

David Rosenberg and Julia Bard
Jewish Socialists Group.

The above exactly reflects my opinion of the disgraceful events being carried out under the name of anti-semitism.

Good post Monica and I’m glad I didn’t listen to that interview on Radio 4 or I would have been seething!

It doesn’t matter how many times a few posters carry on being in denial or ‘love bombing’ the thread with links and opinions of how such and such a Jewish person adores Corbyn and his acolytes, the truth is out now about the LP’s
Antisemitic problems and it must be resolved this time.
Good on those Labour MP’s that joined the demo.

Tory dog whistle racism

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Everything at the moment should be viewed through the prism of the coming elections.

The right wing will stop at nothing, no matter how far into the gutter they wallow

Dear oh dear, whitewave

Indeed

Hard to believe posters are still coming out with such things!

What disgraceful events do you mean ww?

People discussing and protesting about things that have actually happened? Is it really disgraceful that people are protesting against anti-semitism? I think that's an extreme view.

If you don't think that Corbyn's behaviour has been wrong at all, then there's no problem with his actions being in the public domain is there?

The only reason I can see about anyone complaining about this being in the news is that they recognise that Corbyn has embarrassed himself. Instead of being disappointed in Corbyn, they're angry at people who shine a light on him.

David Rosenberg and Julia Bard also released 'opinions' under the JVL banner. It looks like all these 'Jewish pro-Corbyn' groups are the same small group of people calling themselves lots of different names.

So the Tory party are responsible for anti semitism in the Labour Party and caused some in the Labour Party to become anti semetic in time for the May elections.

Oh dear

Primrose65 I am clear on what anti-semitism is. There are members of the Labour Party who are Jewish. By posting the words she did , even if she did so in good faith, ninny is saying either that the Labour Party does not work with Jews or that the Jewish members of the Labour Party are not being true to their faith. Either way it is anti-semitic.

You post that socialist Jewish people are posting under different organisations and have no right to do so. This means that you must accept there is a political agenda within the Jewish community and therefore that the views posted by the Board of Deputies are in fact the Tory voice of Judaism and that their allegations of anti-semitism within a party they oppose must be subject to scrutiny, and even if it does exist, they are using these accusations to make political capital.

Which words are we discussing trisher - don't want to confuse the issue by talking about the wrong post when you're accusing someone of being anti-semitic.

No one was being accused of being anti-Semitic. I thought the post seemed to be anti-Semitic too.

If someone is being treated in a particular and prejudiced way because they are Jewish that is anti-Semitic. There is quite a bit of it about I notice.

Primrose65 I refuse to copy it. It's an adaptation of Labour's "For the Many, Not then Few