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notanan2 Fri 06-Jul-18 12:16:59

Im not at all pro trump but IMO this is awful

It is not a "protest". Ive been on protests. They have a point and an aim

What is point/aim here?
That they don't like his appearance & don't want UK to even try to negotiate?
They don't want us to be the "bigger person" as a nation? they want us to be as childish and petty as him?

Its embarrassing and diplomatically dangerous, NOT an exercise in constructive protect or free speech

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Jul-18 10:34:57

According to the crowdfunding website any money left over will go to funding a pro-Brexit blimp. Of course it will.

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 10:52:37

This actually has a very reasonable history behind it. Trump has accused people of treating him like a baby.It therefore seems appropriate that an image of him as a baby should be created and if you create something surely it should be exhibited/used. The issue of Sadiq Khan giving permission is a distraction.

eazybee Sat 07-Jul-18 10:53:00

I dislike Trump and I distrust Khan, and at the moment I mistrust most senior politicians.
But I do not want to see any of these immensely vulgar balloons floating over Britain.
It demeans us.

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 10:55:17

Trump to Paul Manafort his campaign manager
You think you've gotta go on TV to talk to me? You treat me like a baby!” Trump said.
“Am I like a baby to you? I sit there like a little baby and watch TV and you talk to me? Am I a f--king baby, Paul?”

Chewbacca Sat 07-Jul-18 10:55:55

You're right eazybee, it most certainly does, irrespective of who or what the balloon is aimed at insulting.

notanan2 Sat 07-Jul-18 11:27:33

I’m with the ignore him brigade. Distain is far more British

Apparently not any more

The Irish have gone down this road for the popes visit to protest the mass graves by buying out seats to his audiences so that they will remain empty.

Anyway he is apparently to almost completely avoid london on his trip....cos London is a no go war zone cause of the immigrants and all hmm - in light of which, a civilised dignified london would make him look silly....but we're intent on making ourselves look silly instead

Iam64 Sat 07-Jul-18 11:29:06

waves at trisher- Trump is a disgusting human being. Khan may not be everybody's favourite mayor. He is not a disgusting human being. He also doesn't hold the kind of power that Trump does. I've never heard of Khan using foul language, or sexually abusing/harrassing women. He doesn't seem to be an offensive bully, unlike Mr T who most certainly is.
I think the hot weather may be finally getting to me. I've just had a rant on another post. I shall go and hoover the upstairs of the house, do a bit of gardening and prepare for the footie.

POGS Sat 07-Jul-18 11:29:28

It is childish .

The Lord Mayor of London has made his personal views of Donald Trump perfectly clear and it is a fact the Lord Mayors Office sanctioned the use of the blimp. Whether he is right or wrong in doing so will be viewed differently.

Often there is talk of how we look as a country and to be frank I think we are looking pretty stupid over this .

The fact is Donald Trump has met with leading Politicians of other countries such as Merkel, Putin, Macron . Trump has met with the Kings of Spain, Jordan . Trump has visited Belgium, China, Japan, Italy , Poland etc. etc. all with little to know trouble.

The hypocrisy of going to town to show disapproval of Donal Trump eludes me. I wish the protesters would go to the Embassies of Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, Burma/Myanmar where 1000's have either gone missing, imprisoned, killed or fleeing conflict but the likes of Aung San Suu Kyi were feted and goodness knows how Iran and Assad of Syria get away with so little complaint from some.

London is the UK capital of business and commerce and the Lord Mayor is the high representative and this is not the time in our countries history to make enemies of allies.

maddyone Sat 07-Jul-18 11:49:58

Good post POGS.

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 11:50:38

We as a country base our reputation on standing up for human rights, fighting for the under dog, preserving freedom and speaking out against those who threaten to destroy these concepts. The Trump Blimp is an artistic expression of that reputation. Demonstrating against someone who is systematically undermining those rights is preserving our reputation, and the millions of people in the USA and all over the world who recognise the harm this man has, and is, doing will applaud us for it.
It is no use protesting about human rights in the rest of the world, whilst watching the systematic destruction of them in a country which has always held them at the heart of its existance, but no longer does.

notanan2 Sat 07-Jul-18 12:01:09

look a bit closer to home if human rights concern you.

The blimp doesn't send any sort of message about human rights, its just childish

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Jul-18 12:08:25

POGS what’s the Lord Mayor got to do with any of this?
notanan I’m clever enough to be able to care simultaneously about human rights abuses in several countries. Sorry if you can’t.

POGS Sat 07-Jul-18 12:23:12

trisher

" We as a country base our reputation on standing up for human rights, fighting for the under dog, preserving freedom and speaking out against those who threaten to destroy these concepts. "

Then why not for ALL not just for one man . Lord knows there are plenty of countries that fall into that bracket.
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" It is no use protesting about human rights in the rest of the world, whilst watching the systematic destruction of them in a country which has always held them at the heart of its existance, but no longer does."

Ah. So protesting against human rights is a waste of time when it comes to countries who have already broken human rights , violated human rights through mass imprisonment and slaughter but we might make a difference by nipping it in the bud when it comes to the evil USA and Trump.

Again a pity that never happened to the likes of Assad , Nicolas Modurro , Aung San Suu Kyi , I still don't understand the silence by some who feted these people.

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 12:27:39

notanan2 You have no idea what other activities I am involved in as far as human rights goes so a rather silly remark.
Trump has withdrawn the US from the UN council on Human rights. Seperated children from families, opened a US embassy in Jerusalem and is systematically destroying the US reputation for fairness and equality. Protesting by flying a Trump Blimp is the least we can do. It harms no one but sends signals to millions.

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Jul-18 12:27:43

Not only is snowflakery alive and kicking today but so is whataboutery. All that is needed for a full house is accusations of virtue signalling and champagne socialism and we can shout bingo. Never mind the match isn’t far away

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 12:35:28

POGS your twisting words is so predictable
If there are no countries where human rights are respected then there are no standards to set an example. If you can say look at X country they understand the concept it is at least a start. But if that country then abandons the standard you have to begin again. Something I'm sure you will agree is unacceptable and difficult to do.
And I do and have protested against the abuse of human rights in other parts of the world and have often been castigated on GN by those who do not recognise the abuse of human rights in any form, particularly when it is a regime they have support or sympathy for.

notanan2 Sat 07-Jul-18 12:40:51

notanan2 You have no idea what other activities I am involved in as far as human rights goes so a rather silly remark.

If you think the UK is viewed positively re human rights by the international community then sorry but by default you cannot be very worldly wise.

suzied Sat 07-Jul-18 12:49:17

The argument that we shouldn’t speak out about x unless we also speak out about y and z is ridiculous. There’s nothing preventing anyone from speaking out about what they want to. If you feel strongly about anything then set up your own protest don’t just complain about a group that is protesting in this way. It’s less disruptive than those Heathrow protesters who hold up the traffic for hours. It’s not my cup of builders but I think if it’s ok with the police etc then go ahead.

notanan2 Sat 07-Jul-18 12:51:27

the blimp doesn't "speak out" about anything other than our own immaturity. What issue does it address exactly.

And the argument that USA & UK were EVER international barometers if human rights is deeply flawed.

Speak out! but have a point & an aim!

suzied Sat 07-Jul-18 13:01:03

I guess it addresses the immaturity of DT, who gets portrayed as a petulant child in many cartoons, people may think its an immature way of saying it but each to their own. I guess if you don't like political cartoons, Private Eye etc you won't like this much. I don't like the idea of driving a huge bus around with racist adverts on but this was allowed.

maddyone Sat 07-Jul-18 13:05:46

‘Trump has......separated children from families.’

That has been stopped according to the news I heard. The footage shown of a young child desperately crying for it’s parents was apparently filmed in 2014. Who was president then?

maddyone Sat 07-Jul-18 13:08:33

Notanan, good post.

I don’t like the blimps, of Trump or Khan. Childish and offensive IMHO.

notanan2 Sat 07-Jul-18 13:09:28

The comparisons with private eye & spitting image don't apply. They satirize everyone, and spitting image in particular was us taking the mick out of OURSELVES primarily

Not singling out and bullying a visiting politician.

Yes he is a bully. Is BECOMING a bully ourselves really the way to address a bully??

Besides, Trump is a figure head who DOES represent a lot of popular views which actually are not uncommon in his country. Poking the bear will achieve nothing other than strengthening their resolve.

I think its "fun" to join the blimp fund raising gang, its like joining a school yard joke with someone unpopular as the butt of the joke. It is NOT constructive and does nothing to challenge the populist views that Trump represents. It does the opposite. It feeds into it.

The people supporting the blimp are making the issue they CLAIM to care about worse...but hey...they have each other to egg them on.

trisher Sat 07-Jul-18 15:06:38

notanan2 having been instrumental in the UN charter for the Rights of the Child being adopted by at least 2 bodies I have contact with and having taken part in many activities to do with the protection of human rights both here and internationally I think I probably know more about UK human rights than you do. And no things are not ideal here.

maddyone As for this idea that because he spoke against it families are now OK. They very much are not. Huge problems remain.
One Guatemalan woman called Lesvia, who got out of a detention center in Texas on Thursday, told CNN's Miguel Marquez on Friday that she received no answers about the whereabouts of her 10-year-old son, who she last saw on May 19.
"Just give me my son," she said, sobbing.
The administration has yet to tell Americans exactly how many kids are still in custody, how long they will remain split from their parents and when this grim chapter of modern political history will end.
Go Trump Blimp.

lemongrove Sat 07-Jul-18 15:15:08

It’s crass and juvenile trisher.....do we want to be the same as Trump?
Other European countries didn’t do this when he visited.
Not that it matters in the end, as he won’t see it, his itinerary takes him elsewhere.
So, pointless as well as crass.