Labour Party and anti semitism

I saw it on the news yesterday lemon, I was so upset I was going to ring HQ to cancel my membership, didn’t.

When momentum was formed the communist party joined forces with them . They claimed they were supporting Corbyn but it is far more than this. One founder of Momentum is Emma Rees who has now left her position with Corbyn but is busy in Germany !

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/the-former-primary-school-teacher-who-is-remaking-politics-in-europe-20180215-p4z0f6.html

Annie, I cancelled my LP membership a year after JC was elected. I lived through the 80’s the Michael Foot years. I liked and respected Michael, I was young and believed the majority would see the benefits for “the many not the few” in his Manifesto. I watched Kinnocks rousing speech against Militant and believed he could win an election.

I do not believe a LP with JC as leader will ever win an election. I may be wrong, my track record isn’t one to inspire confidence.

You cN resign, as I did, but find you’re still on the email list, still have ballot papers delivered despite resigning and cancelling the subscription. Daft isn’t it

Iam, I didn’t resign , several times I have said ‘that’s it’ , even told friends in the local party, but didn’t do it, even phoned HQ but then backed away, it meant not being part of Welsh Labour, now there is to be a new leader I will probably do the ‘that’s it’ again. I did resign as chairperson of the local party, things were getting nasty and at one meeting a member said of Corbyn ‘I hope he has a heart attack’ that was just too much for me, anger , arguments, so use to them but I remember when Kinnock was in a car sccident and a Tory said pity he wasn’t killed, horrible, that’s hate, so I resigned and stopped going to meetings. I still telephone canvassed for Welsh Labour. Sorry if you thought I had resigned from Labour, I know I posted that I had resigned, seems I didn’t make it clear, not unusual for me !

I don’t think he can win an election, could be so wrong. He now disgusts me.

Listening to the news, large crowd turned out to hear Corbyn, the talk of the wreath laying is all lies from the right of the Labour Party, he won the Nobel Peace Prize last year !

The "Peace Prize" he was awarded was Sean McBride Peace Prize, awarded by the International Peace Bureau. Sean McBride was once Chief of Staff of the IRA. One year the Peace Bureau awarded the prize to their own secretary-general! Another previous winner was Chelsea Manning, the US soldier who passed classified documents to Wikileaks.

Says it all, doesn’t it?!

I fear the party and the country is stuck with this man, seems anything said of him which is a criticism is false news, we have our own Trump.

Corbyn enjoys luxury, staying in a Tunisian 5 star hotel with three swimming pools for two days paid for by the Tunisian Government .

Corbyn didn’t declare this visit, Labour claims it cost under
£660

grumpa

Well spotted.

Allygran

You have contributed some good posts throughout this thread. Your post of Tue 14-Aug-18 15:51:07 summed up what some have been saying on numerous threads since Corbyn was elected Labour Leader and I totally agree with you when you acknowledge this-

" Momentum appear to be thinking big. Their ambitions are fuelled by opportunity through Brexit, facilitated by modern technology and their propaganda is distributed on the high end of information technology and all that it offers in promoting ideology to the young and inexperienced. "

The Labour Party has now declared Margaret Hodge is disconnected from reality because she voiced how she felt during the anti semetism row and threats of deselection. They just don’t listen do they

trisher

trisher Sat 04-Aug-18 18:29:23

" As for Hamas it is regarded by some as a terrorist organisation but not in Europe, where only its military wing is classed as such. It is the party responsible for governing Gaza

In September 2016 a legal advisor to the European Court of Justice, Eleanor Sharpston, provided an advisory opinion, in favour of cancelling the listing of Hamas as a terrorist organization. She argued that the determination originally adopted was flawed, and that the EU cannot "rely on facts and evidence found in press articles and information from the internet" in order to list organizations as terrorists.[441] Egypt,[442] Saudi Arabia,[443] Japan,[444] New Zealand,[445] Australia and the United Kingdom[446] have designated the military wing of Hamas as a terrorist organization.[447] The organization is banned in Jordan.[448] It is not regarded as a terrorist organization by Iran,[449] Russia,[450] Norway,[451] Switzerland,[452] Turkey, China,[453] and Brazil.[454]"
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I would like to give further information if I may.

On the 26th of July 2017 the European Court of Justice concluded and made a subsequent judgement on Hamas and declared ' the continuation for Hamas to remain on its ' terrorism blacklist ':-

www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/eu-court-upholds-hamas-terror-listing/

Thank you yet again POGS

Sir Patrick Stewart, a lifelong Labour Party supporter says he will probably not vote Labour again – so long as it supports Brexit and seems unable to deal swiftly and decisively with obvious evils such as anti-Semitism.

"To be perfectly honest, I find it difficult to understand what Labour really stands for or what it represents right now. It doesn’t feel like my party any more. I am not a politician and I am not a strategist, but I have a suspicion Jeremy believes a disastrous Brexit would benefit him politically, and, in all the chaos and confusion that would occur after the policy is implemented – in either a hard or a soft way, I might add – he sees himself taking power. It seems to me to be just plain wrong to play with the country’s future in this way.

What Jeremy doesn’t appear to understand is that it would be the easiest thing in the world to attack the government on Brexit and to oppose it at every turn and to tear apart their arguments and expose it for what it is. There is, after all, nothing that is more opposed to basic Labour values than Brexit and I think just about everyone except him can now see that.”

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/sir-patrick-stewart-i-find-it-difficult-to-know-what-labour-stands-for-1-5653286

It's good that Patrick Stewart sees flaws in the present day Labour party and its leader. He is very wrong about the EU being what Labour supporters want. There is a huge Labour Leave contingent. "Basic Labour values"entail looking out for the poorest and not supporting capitalism last time I looked.

If he did a bit of reading around and looked at the late Union boss Bob Crow's stance regarding Brussels and the EU he'd see that that a migrant workforce accepting pitifully low ages anywhere they can get them fans the flames of austerity and keeps the poor worker stuck. Low wages also make capitalist bosses very rich, very quickly. It's a corrupt system that has to be broken. Rich businessmen/women have the workforce over a barrel and many, many people see leaving the EU as a left wing cause.

Stewart needs to remove his blinkers.

I rarely take anything that actors say seriously.

They can be very astute, well informed and highly educated. Actors that is!

Day6 says there is a huge Labour Leaver contingent.

65% of Labour voters voted to Remain. Only 35% to Leave.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=What+percentage+of+Labour+voters+voted+leave%3F&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTlIOh4YPdAhUkLcAKHTM8CeEQzmd6BAgGEAo&biw=1536&bih=730

Who are the ‘zionists in this country’ Corbyn spoke of and reported in the press today

I agree with lemongrove about actors, indeed any “celebrities” pop musicians included.
What on Earth gives them their imagined insights into politics or world affairs?
Angelina Jolie in Africa? Bono? Madonna? Bob Geldoff? Even the lovely Patrick Stewart - what makes him think he knows any more about anything, other than acting , than my dentist, today’s Ocado delivery driver or, in fact me?
There was/is a good sketch on The Now Show (for which I heard a trailer recently) about pop musicians and the influence they feel they should have.
Ant and Dec for PM?

I agree lemongrove and MawBroon

When someone wasw talking about Patrick Stewart up-thread I assumed they meant some politician I'd never heard of (there are many).

Unfortunately, people who are well-known, even those of little talent such as Lily Allen, have a platform from which they can influence others with their views (in her case muddled and ill-thought through).

Anyone know who the zionists who live in this country are ?

Anniebach - I would classify anyone as a Zionist who
A) thinks that it is the duty of all jewish people to go to live in Israel.
B) Those who think that Israel -just because it is a Jewish state, can do no wrong.

On (A) there are plenty extreme right=wingers who support this idea, as well as plenty in the Jewish communities
On (B), I would suggest a group like the Jewish Board of Deputies.

As a Labour Party member, and an East London Jew - I would say that I have NEVER encountered any sort of anti-semitism in the Labour Party.
I totally deplore virtually everything that the right wing government currently in Israel is doing and will continue to speak out against them.
I am not particularly a JC fan, but feel that all this is just being whipped up deliberately by political groups and the media out of fear that the Labour Party will oust the tories at the next general election.

Because you have never encountered anti semitism does this mean it doesn’t exist? I think not

And could you be a member of Jewish voice for labour.?