Labour Party and anti semitism

Old Meg , trisher

Why do you think the Jeremy for Leader / Momentum NEC panel did not adopt Corbyns supplement to
The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition ?

Putting up a list in favour of Corbyn and against accepting The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition holds merit but only in as much as another list could be posted against Corbyn and accepting The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition .

The list could start by naming the 31 countries who have adopted The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition .

I suspect the pressure of media highlighting POGS accept it and the problem will go away. The trouble is it won't. The people I know who are active in support of Palestine will regard it as a betrayal, real anti-semites will see a Jewish conspiracy, the reat of us will simply wonder.
As I have answered your question perhaps you will answer the one I keep posting about the IHRA. Why when a select committe of all party MPs recommended additional clauses did the government choose to ignore them?

Because these are Jewish groups who understand where Corbyn and other concerned people is coming from. Surely that is obvious or are you going to call Jews anti-Semitic too?

" Some of the undersigned organizations support BDS in full, others in part, and others have no formal position on BDS. We all affirm the current call for BDS as a set of tools and tactics that should not be defined as antisemitic."
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BDS . The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement .

The goods involved are those made in the occupied West Bank areas. How do they know which are made in the occupied territory?

Up to 2015 the European Union had a limited free trade agreement with Israel , not the West Bank goods I believe. The European Union does not recognize the occupied territories as part of Israel therefore goods from the occupied territory are not included in 'free' trade.. Two bodies evolved the EU Israel Council and the EU Israel Association Committee. The agreement fell apart in 2015 , as my understanding goes , as Israel doesn't want to conform with the European Court of Justice telling them that goods must be labelled where they are produced from.

It is a very messy business and I understand the voices that call for a boycott of occupied territory goods but the problem is the activism behind the so called boycott of occupied territory goods does not restrict itself to that area. It doesn't know so therefore anything Israeli is fair game hence the removal of goods from our supermarkets due to intimidation when the goods may have originated in the UK. I do not therefore agree with Israel Apartheid Week and boycotting anything and everything that is thought to be from Israel when there is no proof. Some behaviour by activists is tantamount to being anti Semetic behaviour if they demand the removal of all Kosher goods on the 'supposition' they feel it is from Israel. This includes Labour MP's who join them. They are not really interested in where it comes from it is Kosher that's all that matters. I do not like the BDS either irrespective of who belongs to it.

That’s your interpretation, again, POGS but at least you’re willing to delve into this thorny question a bit more deeply than those who see it simply as a black and white debate such as the OP.

"demand the removal of all Kosher goods on the 'supposition' they feel it is from Israel."
That is so stupid. As you say Pogs much of it is produced here, and a lot comes from the USA.
All fruit and veg. has to have country of origin marked.

Of course they do Fennel

The Parliamentary Labour Party voted today on the adoption of the IHRA definition and examples word-for-word.

They voted in favour of fully adopting the international definition and examples of antisemitism.

They voted by 205 to 8 votes. It could be said by a majority .

In reality it may only be viewed as ' a message ' to the Leadership but it does at least send a message.

My understanding is unlike Tuesdays NEC vote and it's own ' added caveat/statement ' to the adoption of the IHRA also the reported refusal to adopt a ' personal caveat / statement ' proposed by Corbyn , the PLP vote has no ' added caveat / statement ' proposed '.

I think the addition of any caveat / statement no matter how trivial and most certainly a personal proposal by Corbyn to add one will be seen as the NEC adopting the IHRA but under sufferance.

A majority of 197 ? Oh well not even Corbyn can win em all

OldMeg I was jumping ahead a bit before.
What I meant to say was the general Israeli kosher foods for sale in our supermarkets aren't very good quality. I wouldn't buy them.
But their fruit and veg are top quality and so more vulnerable. Apart from Jaffa oranges which mostly come from Spain for some reason.
Don't tell anyone.

Actually POGS the Boycott is far wider
The Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC) calls for a boycott of all Israeli products but we also target our boycotts to focus on a small number of companies and products for maximum impact. We focus on companies that play a clear and direct role in Israel’s crimes and where we think we can have an impact.
So one of the companies it is recommended to Boycott is Caterpillar

Caterpillar bulldozers are regularly used in the demolition of Palestinian homes and farms and in Israel’s massacres in Gaza.

Not many people have a Caterpillar bulldozer on their shopping list.

Speak for yourself Fennel! It’s on my Christmas list.

Or rather was

trisher

Your point re bulldozers exhibits the lengths to which the boycotting of Israeli goods is just the tip of the iceberg in that case.

I've tried to stay out of this, but really it's getting ridiculous:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-45431237
Just over the bridge from us.

Sadly Fennel I am not surprised reading this account .

There is report after report of this sort of thing happening , not necessarily anti-semitism related but during council meetings etc. as told by Labour MP's and councillors.

Disrupting council meetings is nothing new, especially from the public gallery. If people feel strongly about something then this will happen. More often it’s about planning permission than anything else. Recently around here the Tory-led council has been giving planning permission for Green Field sites to be developed. This has angered many.

It is happening more and more, bullying is the new way of controlling the Labour Party.

Joan Ryan has lost a confidence vote, 94 - 92, seems she smeared Corbyn’s character , she voiced her views in the anti semetism row and is a member of Labour friends of Israel.

Same old.... Same old.... Same old....its Corbyn.

Thread title - Labour Party and anti semetism

Joan Ryan is a Labour MP, vote of no confidence , reason ?

Smeared Corbyn’s character.

Took place yesterday ,

Puzzling - how can this mornings news be branded ‘ same old’ ? Anyone explain this ??

Suppose saying ‘the mighty one’ or heaven forbid -

The honourable one’ instead of the name would be acceptable ?

Isn’t there a religion where their God’s name is too revered to be uttered ?

It has occurred to me that there may be some people who have an interest in not wanting to see a left wing government that would support the Palestinian people, recognise a Palestinian state (which has been passed but not acted on), agitate at the UN for the admission of Palestine and ask that Israel be admonished for not complying with UN resolutions. Would they use anti-semitic accusations to prevent such a thing? I think some might.

As you say, “there may be” but there may not be