Labour Party and anti semitism

trisher

Who would they be then?

I thought it had been established that anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism were not the same thing?

Not quite. That’s been the sticking point

trisher that is the most likely scenario.

I suppose so OldMeg.

AB, I think it is the Jewish religion that does not utter the name of God. They certainly don't write it in full in their scriptures.

In the Jerusalem Bible the name Yaweh is given , I believe in Judaism it is spelt with just consonants which are too sacred to speak . YWH or similar .

One of the Bible Studies i chaired , we studied different books, but this one was a few years ago so I may be wrong with YWH .

Yes AB that is correct except there is another H - YHWH

Or HaShem literally 'the name'

Thank you both, it was some years ago that we discussed this.

Trevor Phillips supports Chuka Umunna , the Labour Party is instutionally racist.

Trevor Phillips also said Corbyn is anti semetic

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-chuka-umunna-says-13216603

I accept we go round in circles with this issue, no one seems likely to have a significant change of mind.

When you have Trevor Phillips supporting Chuka Umunna's view that the LP is institutionally racist, it's surely impossible to deny we have a problem (Houston)

True Iam, but I firmly believe it is true and now Trevor Phillips has said the same . Corbyn devotees will continue to deny it is true and claim it’s false news or the right wing press lying.

There is no hope for the return of the true Labour Party, it is dead.

Is it fair to call the Labour Party ' institutionally racist ' ?

I think there is a difference between the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Labour Party and this is why all the trouble started , the trouble progressed and sadly where the trouble may well end.

It was said from the very start that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn was a ' party within a party ' and was fiercely denied .

Now you have the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum National Executive Committee (Div 111) Constituency Labour Parties and the fruition of what was again said from the beginning would happen Labour MP's facing votes of no confidence, deselections , harassment and vile abuse from WITHIN the Party.

I think it is unfair to the decent Labour Members to have the
term ' institutionally racist ' attached to the party in general but there is a subsection of ' new / returned ' Labour Members that would certainly be questionable as to whether they fall into that category and it was inevitable when you kept seeing the connections and team being made from the Labour Leadership office.

It is unfair to brand all party members racist, I am a member and am not racist. Trevor Phillips said Corbyn is anti semetic and he is , are as his inner circle.

To deny it is to support it in my opinion.

No announcement from HQ on Trevor Phillips views on Corbyn. Yet.

POGS it's certainly a talking point. We all remember the Lawrence enquiry, which concluded that the Met was institutionally racist. I'm sure many decent Met officers were hurt and angered because they either weren't racist or possibly because they didn't believe they or their organisation deserved the label.
The Met and other forces responded positively to the accusation, with positive results.
I'm shocked to read the same allegation levelled at the LP.

In fairness , I am so against racism I know I should leave the party.

If it is 'institutionally racist' that will have been a long time coming. To become institutional take time.

No, it can happen when racists gather as a body, there is no time scale. Trevor Phillips said Corbyn was anti semetic.

Iam 64

Funny you mention the Metropolitan Police and 'Institutional Racism '.

I was reminded of watching Dianne Abbot on one of her sorties on Russia Today saying the Met Police were ' Institutionally Racist ' and now she is Labours Shadow Home Secretary. That would bold well.

PECS, your post prompted me to check that I have't misquoted Chukka. No I haven't, he used the phrase institutionally racist which shocked me.

Ive just watched a Ch4 interview with Chris Williamson on facebook. His complacency made me feel uncomfortable. He firmly believes that only the actions of MPs like Chukka A led the LP not to win the last election.
We are in interesting times. Trump in the Whitehouse, unsure it seems to me, what Truth is, Mrs May as our PM, hanging on by the skin of her teeth whilst powerful members of her own party brief against her . We have JC - what does he want from Brexit? We have splits within the LP -what next folks.

The Tories and Labour are split , The Libs are still floundering, I had a reminder today to register to vote , I am unsure if I want to , I am loyal to Welsh Labour but a general election isn’t voting for Welsh labour and I cannot vote for Corbyn .

Corbyn is very quiet during this ongoing bexit battle, not supporting the labour MP’s who want a people’s vote, but he vanished in the lead up to the referendum .

Back on thread , I agree with Trevor Phillips .

"Institutional racism is that which, covertly or overtly, resides in the policies, procedures, operations and culture of public or private institutions – reinforcing individual prejudices and being reinforced by them in turn." From the institute of Race Relations

And where is the time line?

I agree it is hard to know where to place a vote if there was a GE. I am convinced remaining in Europe is better for the UK and TM and JC are not strong on Remain!

Both TM and JC are bad at representing their policies clearly... either because they are poor communicators or because media chooses to edit out their stronger points..who knows!

I could never vote Tory, I am sorry Labour is not more vocal about Brexit. Both main parties are squabbling internally.... I cannot waste a vote.... such a quandary.