Should the electorate have the final say on Brexit?

We had peoples vote!

We should have the final say. And staying in the EU should be one of the options.
We have been told that we can trade very well with WTO rules, and that the US is one of our good relations.
But the referendum was before Trump! Who is now trying to break up the WTO as all he wants is America first.
We need friends who actually want us, and that is the EU
(Leaving aside the number of organisations we are so deeply integrated with, all of which will be disastrous for us not having access to. Trade isn't everything)

Those who are scared of allowing a people’s vote and keep saying we have already voted on Brexit. May we please let us know which Brexit we voted for, was it the PM’s version, Boris version, Rees-Moggs, or Dr Liam Fox or David Davis version or the no agreements?

There so many incredible leave versions nobody at present knows what actual version of Brexit the referendum we voted on. Yet, these leavers don’t want the electorate to decide what final version the majority desire. They are scared we go for status quo rather than a wonderland never never land version.

Hopefully, the articulate Brexit fans in these columns can provide the right answers, though I doubt it based on the infighting going on in the Brexit camp.

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joelsnan your comment is frankly ridiculous, the vote we had was based on no or misleading information.

Martha You are not happy with the result of 'the peoples vote' which we had 2 years ago, therefore would like another one, in the hope that the first one would go 'the other way'.If I didn't like that outcome perhaps I and many others should then press for another 'peoples vote' the best of three, or five?

we were voting on the question of should we leavethe EU, not on 'the best way we thought it should happen' that is for politicians to decide, to get the best outcome for the UK.

Of course the people should not decide on the way forward! If we were all up to that we would be working in Westminster.It's what we pay our MP's to do.
Being in or out of the EU is a whole different matter, we needed to vote to enter the EU years ago, and we needed the vote to decide if we would leave.

If the referendum had gone the other way would posters want a vote in the form of an EU-wide referendum on every big decision that the EU makes in the future, as many decisions could have a big impact on their lives?

I am just curious.

I guess we would have carried on the same, with those whose lives were be affected in a negative way continuing to oppose being in the EU.
The problem is that the result was so close, if ever it was taken again I think it should be decided on a clear margin of winning / losing by a set% margin

For winning/ losing read remain/ leave .

Lemon it is not because people were unhappy with the way the vote went, although obviously many were. It is that many feel that what they voted on is clearly not what they are going to get. Surely you can now see that what Boris et al said is not what the final agreement will be?

I don't understand why Leavers are so against a vote for the deal that is eventually agreed (or not). If they are so sure that it is what most people want then a vote on the final deal will surely go the same way as the last one. What are they afraid of?

Just suppose there was a second referendum. And just suppose the majority vote was to remain this time. How would Europe react to that? Would Jean Claude Junker et al laugh off the past two years and welcome us back with open arms, with no harm done and the same deal as before? Maybe they would offer a much better deal for coming to our senses and putting a stop to this nonsense. Or perhaps would they secretly gloat and do their bureaucratic best to make ours lives difficult and to make us know our place, also on much less favourable terms. I think I know the answer to that one!

It looks as if Lemon and those with similar views, would love to live in a dictatorship where decisions by so called politicians are imposed upon the masses. It is frankly worrying that some people cannot understand the true benefits of a free society where the people can influence the decision making and participate in the whole debate to obtain the best results possible.

haha! another comment for me to chuckle at Martha
oh yes, I and others would love to live in a dictatorship, North Korea perhaps, must go and pack.

'The People' are not up to deciding exactly what we should go for regarding Brexit, it's hard enough for the politicians with all the information at their fingertips to decide, and yes, we pay our MP's to represent us in Parliament.What we, the people had to decide on was entering the EU years ago, and two years ago whether we came out of it or not.

all other decisions are for Parliament to decide.
Do we have 'peoples votes' for deciding Government policies? No of course we don't.
I would prefer posters who bang on about second referendums to be totally honest and say that the reason they want one is to hopefully overturn the outcome of the last one, and as for Joe Public to decide what policy to pursue with regard to the way we leave the EU.... crazy.

MarthaBeck
The ballot paper that those who chose to vote asked just two questions:
a) Should the UK remain in the European Union
b) Should the UK leave the European Union.

It did not ask:
If we are not be happy with the outcome should we do a rerun and maybe another and possibly another. Nor did it ask or if we vote to leave should we do this hard or soft or any other way.
I am so fed up of people saying people voted on lies, NO they did mot. The vast majority of voters had been waiting since the 1990s for this opportunity and knew full well what they were voting for.
Those who continue the lies rhetoric should be honest and accept that in the run up to the referendum date all sorts of rubbish and lies were thrown into the media arena by both sides.

A second referendum is being sought by remainers Mamacaz in the hope that the majority would vote remain so of course it's an attempt to overturn the result of the referendum.

One can only imagine the reaction of remainers, if the referendum result had been to remain and Bexiters were demanding another referendum. It's sheer hypocricy and has nothing to do democracy.

The problem is that the vote was close, which even though accepted does more or less divide the country into complete opposites.. it begs the question why, what were the big differences,reasons indicators etc, if we can understand that and address the issues perhaps Britain can be United & Great again.

So close - and fraud was confirmed by Electoral Commission- and based on lies, massive ones.

Imagine being told you have cancer- and need an operation- and you agree. Then further tests show that it is not actually cancer, and that the operation is very risky and dangerous - and may not cure the problem anyhow. Do you go ahead with the risky operation, with really severe side effects- or do you say 'in the view of recent tests and information- I have changed my mind'. That especially is the initial doctor is proven to have made a hasty diagnosis because it will be very lucrative for him to operate, rather than go for another and better option?

One can only imagine the reaction of remainers, if the referendum result had been to remain and Bexiters were demanding another referendum.

I think that that was just what Farage was planning to do had it been a close vote in favour of Remain. Remember his 'unfinished business' comment?

What we, the people had to decide on was entering the EU years ago,

We didn't vote on entering; we voted on whether to stay in, 2 years after entering. At least get the story right lemon.

As for trusting in parliament, I think you'll find that 'Parliament' isn't exactly unanimous about how to Leave and, that a lot of ''Parliament' thinks, in their wisdom, that leaving the EU would be a really bad thing for the UK.

Just how far are you going to trust them to make decisions on your behalf which you might not like? Like, deciding to stay in the EU?

Most MPs. who are, after all, charged with exercising their judgement to determine what is in the best interests of their constituents and the country, voted REMAIN.

I cannot see anything that has happened in the last two years which could possibly make them change their minds.

Joelsnan: I am so fed up of people saying people voted on lies, NO they did mot. The vast majority of voters had been waiting since the 1990s for this opportunity and knew full well what they were voting for.

52% of the 70% who voted is hardly a vast majority. And if all that 52% knew full well the damage it would do to the UK economy and the amount of inter-country co-operation that would be lost, and still voted to leave, it doesn't say much for their intelligence.

yggdrasil
As Brexit has not happened yet and I think few if any of us have the power to predict the future with any certainty it is all supposition, could, may, might. Do you posses these magical piwers to be so sure of your assertions?
I find talk of others intellect in a demeaning manner a shame for the person who considers it appropriate to do so.

Had we been told all those years ago what the end game of joining the then Common Market, (a trading block and nothing more) would be, I for one would never have voted to stay. In the days before social media, it wasn't easy to keep track of what politicians were plotting behind all our backs starting with the treaty of Maastricht, which should, and for some did, ring warning bells, the treaty of Lisbon under sneaky T.Blair even more so. No suggestion of a people's vote, the less the public knew the better!! After all, the peasants revolting was not part of this utopian plan!! Unfortunately for politicians, of course, information leaked out, the peasants got wind of it and dissent in the ranks soon reared its head, till one day, the peasants got a vote, and, shock horror, they revolted just in time, as left much longer, it would have been too late, which of course we now know was the grand plan from day one!!

"We believe that there is no good Brexit deal for young people. Brexit means less opportunities, a tougher job market and fewer rights for young people."

Our Future Our Choice is committed to a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal.

www.ofoc.co.uk/

Joelsnan: Brexit has been happening for over a year. Companies are moving across the Channel, many others have lost contracts because of the uncertaincy. Our relationships with science projects, and security arrangements have been very disrupted.
A great many of the EU citizens who had come here to work in the NHS and other care industries have left to go back, having been made to feel unwelcome. So we don't have enough people to keep them going.
That goes for building industries too. We need a lot of houses built, but the skilled workers from Poland are not here now.
Oh and the people who can 'predict' the future are the experts that the Brexit team told us to ignore at the time of the referendum.

yggdrasil
One of the issues with the EU is that most of our manufacturing industry has already moved to Eastern Europe due to cheap labour and (back door) incentives. You should check out the M62 motorway where two out of three HGVs have Romanian or Polish number plates.
You fail to mention the companys moving here or others investing in their infrastrucure, if you do a little research, there are some big names, Boeing being one.
The majority of hospital staff are still here because their salaries and benefits are up to three times more than they receive back home. Incidentally there are other nationalities of highly skilled medical and nursing staff trying their hardest to get jobs in the NHS, maybe they should have an equal opportunity to work here.
Why should we rely on cheap continental labour to do our work, we did it before free movement was allowed, we need to grow our skilled workforce and stop companies pocketting profits from not investing in training our people (there are 64,000,000 or more million of us) there certainly enough people who could be trained and stop using cheap overseas labour.
BTW there are no experts when it comes to Brexit it has never been done before, experts etc. can only prefict based upon their scope of knowledge.