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Call off the dogs Corbyn

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Anniebach Sat 08-Sept-18 08:37:42

At last a Labour MP has spoken out . Chuka Umunna

news.sky.com/story/chuka-umunna-tells-corbyn-to-call-off-the-dogs-and-end-purge-11492924

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 13:04:46

Hurrah POGS It HAS sunk in!!!! The Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn is not as has often been posted Far Left. It does not embrace Far Left policies but reasonable Centre Left Policies. So all those who keep posting about the Labour Far Left should put up or shut up. (But once again I'm not holding my breath).
Incidently (but it might interest you) I'm not far Left either. I know Far Left people and believe me they would make mincemeat of you. I don't agree with them, but they are a formidable bunch who know their facts and argue with knowledge and conviction.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 13:12:59

You mix with bullies Trisher ?

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 13:42:33

No worse still Annie COMMUNISTS!!! They have as I have said before interesting and little known facts about protests and activism from the NE sugar boycott to communist miners.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 13:50:40

Thought so Trisher

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 13:54:25

Lovely interesting and clever people Annie who will discuss policies and problems, and whilst I may not agree with them I do respect their sincerely held beliefs and their willingness to go beyond personal criticism.

OldMeg Mon 10-Sept-18 14:03:48

Walked into that one didn’t you Annie!

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 14:05:28

Do you ever question why the communist party decided not to put forward candidates in elections when Corbyn became leader, and why they joined with Momentum at their conference last year ?

I respect people’s choice of political ideals if they are open and honest and open about them.

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 14:44:00

I would suspect Annie that they are now such a small party with few funds (many of those I know are in low paid work, studying or living alternative lifestyles) actually funding candidates would be difficult. They don't have many backers of course, no one puts money into that party. Why were they at the conference? To discuss policies I suppose and trade ideas. Discussion is surely always good.

lemongrove Mon 10-Sept-18 14:57:39

trisher That does sound like Communist bullies then, 'make mincemeat of you' etc.
Sorry, but Jeremy Corbyn is far left, whatever you choose to say on the matter.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 15:33:25

If they are a small party it can only be because communism is not wanted .

Yes lemon, ‘make mincemeat of you ‘ is a threat

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 15:58:19

No it is actually a criticism of the level of debate on GN where people make sweeping statements and repetetive posts and can't back up their ideas with facts or genuinely held beliefs. It can't be helped if others make their case with more knowledge and passion and hence "make mincemeat" of someone.
Bullying is usually accompanied by a desire to cause hurt or injury. A better example is the name-calling found on GN.
I don't think I have claimed communism is wanted Annie Has anyone?

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 16:08:03

You are part of the level of debate trisher and your comment ‘make mincemeat of you ‘has certaintly taken the level of debate

As for not bscking up my critism of Corbyn, I most certaintly do, you choose to ignore . A case of ‘if I don’t look/read it isn’t true, even recordings of him speaking isn’t true for you. Denial

grannypauline Mon 10-Sept-18 16:34:00

Well, I'm on the far left (if you hadn't guessed!!) and last time I checked I didn't have horns and a tail!

All I want is a decent society where the wealth is controlled (democratically I must add) so that it reaches all and not just a few at the top.

But those of us who want this are up against seriously vested interests, who also own most of the media. Hence the demonisation of Corbyn - you didn't fall for it did you?

That's why we need parties and demonstrations - to challenge those in power who have neglected ordinary people for many decades.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 16:39:30

It’s the far right press and Saint Jeremy yet again.

There is no demonisation, he deserves the crticism he gets .

trisher Mon 10-Sept-18 16:43:28

Annie I have read about Corbyn, I have heard him speak. I know his voting record and I know his beliefs and standards. I support many of them. I have yet to see any post from you about Corbyn which contains anything apart from name calling and abuse. And that's the level of debate you indulge in.

Ilovecheese Mon 10-Sept-18 16:55:15

Surely it's not much of a debate for a person to just assert that they are centre left because they say they are, without any further information as to why they think their views are centre left. Opinions differ as to what the "centre left" actually means.

MaizieD Mon 10-Sept-18 17:01:54

but Jeremy Corbyn is far left, whatever you choose to say on the matter.

Jeremy Corbyn 'appears' to be far-left because the Overton Window has moved well to the right over the past few years.

As I recall, there was nothing particularly 'far left' about the 2017 Labour Manifesto on which they fought the General Election. I believe that comments from other European 'socialist' (i.e social democratic) countries concluded that it was pretty middle of the road.

I think we'll be better able to judge how 'left' they are when the next manifesto is published.

lemongrove Mon 10-Sept-18 17:08:12

all the time that Corbyn sat on the backbenches he was regarded as a far left thinker by other MP's, I hardly think that has changed.A serial defyer of the Labour Whip and more or less all that the LP stood for and was known to have Trotsykest views. Nobody took him seriously.
their mistake in nominating him!
the LP is now in the grip of being taken down the far left road, it's like a Greek tragedy.

lemongrove Mon 10-Sept-18 17:09:02

apologies for spelling mistakes.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 17:18:08

Critism of politicians is acceptable, critcism of Corbyn is abuse. Bless his little cotton socks,

Where is he? John McDonald was on all channels defending his mighty leader , another holiday perhaps.

Ilovecheese Mon 10-Sept-18 17:24:04

"Critism of politicians is acceptable, critcism of Corbyn is abuse." But that's not debate, it is just assertion. And untrue.

JessM Mon 10-Sept-18 17:33:05

Have you got round to joining Plaid Cymru yet Anniebach ? Ms Wood would like us to think that it is a party of the left. How left, is not very clear.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 17:49:15

Jess, Ms Wood will be gone come the next lesdership election . No idea where Plaid stands because she makes little sense . I am waiting for the Welsh leader elections , gulp.

OldMeg Mon 10-Sept-18 18:26:32

Criticisjm of politicians is acceptable, critcism of Corbyn is abuse But that's not debate, it is just assertion. And untrue

Exactly Ilovecheese

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 18:32:04

Ilovecheese. It is true, trisher said so.