The Last Days of Mrs May?

I don't think May will survive the vote and she is making it harder for herself by refusing to have legal advice published. How on earth can the MP's make an informed vote if the facts are hidden form them. I can only assume the advice was it is a really bad deal for UK stating we can never get out of Customs Union unless EU agree to it and as we are going to be paying between £12 and £25 billion every year so why would they ever agree I think the 5 days of debating will help and really I would prefer us to leave with no deal than be trapped forever with no escape clause. We will not be able to do free trade deals for goods with any country unless it is aligned closely with EU. I think a May's deal will be voted down and then hopefully the letters of no confidence will go in en mass. I owuld like to see a new leader for the Conservatives as then they could go back to renegotiate with EU. May is bad negotiator.

I would prefer us to leave with no deal

newnanny Do you absolutely understand what the effect of leaving with 'no deal' would be? If you do, could you explain it to me please because I don't understand why just about everyone who is anyone, nationally and internationally, is saying that it would be national suicide. But perhaps they, and I, have missed some vitally significant point which you know about.

The EU wont renegotiate newnanny and all I've heard from MP's who don't like the deal that's been negotiated is simply that, they don't like it.

No concrete alternatives, no mention as to how they would get the EU to renegotiate, just a lot of hot air.

Surprisingly, I agree with you smileless that it is very unlikely that the EU will renegotiate, so our MPs should chose between TM's deal, leaving us a lot worse off than we are now, a "no-deal" brexit, described today by Oliver Letwin, Tory MP as "catastrophic" and by the President of the NFU as "Armageddon" which would empoverish our children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives, or the sensible option of revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU.

Corbyn wants out ,

That doesn't surprise me Anniebach.

You may well be right about Corbyn, that although he said he supported Remain, his support was so lukewarm that he might well have been a closet Leaver.

However, if that is what he still thinks, he is totally at odds wioth the Labour Party as the majority of Labour MPs, the majority of Labour Party members and the majority of Labour Party voters want to Remain in the EU.

I am right about Corbyn, he refused to take part in any tv debate during the campaign , he even went on holiday

Yes as a Labour Party member I have been very disappointed by Corbyn fence sitting over Brexit, but you are right varian that there is a consensus amongst most members of the LP to Remain in the EU. Probably not as split as the Tories in that respect.

Exactly Smileless a lot of hot air from MP’s who say they don’t like the deal and not one has any alternative plan!
Both twerps Corbyn and Johnson were spouting nonsense today in Parliament.

cancel the whole stupid mess,it was hardly a landslide win in the first place and should never have gone any further once the "victory" was seen to be such a tight margin.Just walk away ,forget it happened and move on from there .

Would you say that Paddy if there was a vote in Scotland to leave the UK, and if the Nats won the day, because it was hard to implement, you would blithely say ‘cancel the whole mess, it was hardly a landslide in the first place’ .....No? Thought not, because it wouldn’t be democratic would it!

A majority of 1 is a majority

Most ( sensible) countries where they have a lot of referenda tend to make a proviso that there has to be a 60:40 majority for any major constitutional change, Cameron missed that chance ( among many other mistakes).

Again it's been admitted on NW News that this area has had the least government funding compared to the South. This really is disgusting ! We've always been the poor relations of this country so is it any wonder that 3/4 of the population vote Labour ? Where else are there 3,000 children without proper homes over this Christmas ? This is an utter disgrace.

It's only been the EU that has lifted this part of the country from falling down the mire as neither a Labour nor a Conservative government have assisted the NW yet we pay our dues just like everyone else.
I, like many, really question any reason to vote for anyone when we're not recognised as being part of the country as over the years and especially of late the division between North and South has got wider.

Undoubtedly what Britain witnessed yesterday (4/12/18) was the complete disintegration of the Conservative party. The sight on the late evening news of Boris Johnson speaking in the agreement debate while two other conservative MPs sitting on the bench directly behind him were "poking faces" at him and gesturing was beyond belief.

Those pictures demonstrated to the whole country the depths of the rift in the Tory party to the extent that it now cannot be viewed as having any central ideas on Brexit that the electorate can in any way look to.

We now seem to be moving in "uncharted political waters" with Theresa May in Government but not in power even within her own party, while the country faces the biggest crisis it has faced since the second world war.

Dark days indeed.

You are right grandad.it scares me.

Oh. I think it's rather exciting.

Not exciting, worrying it seems as if there will be an attempt to get better terms and 21st January is I'm the date for that to be debated, presumably as soon as MPs return after Christmas parties.

So TM will continue, if the EU will reconsider, will MPs accept that Deal - unlikely because JC wants an election, if he wins, the deal offered still stands and he probably has to share power with SNP so still no majority for anything.

If TM looses a vote of no confidence a new Tory leader will be elected and any GE will be late Feb or early March

Or maybe MPs will vote to end Brexit, impossible to call.

Margaret Beckett made a very good speech in Parliament late last night - I watched it today on You Tube. I found it by searching on Twitter and following a link.

theres a song for this isn't there "clowns to the left of us jokers to the right " certainly fits Tory and Labour .
All the sensible speakers were late at night welshwife when the house was nearly empty .Tories and labour wont listen to SENSE .

I want to scream [and often do] when I hear the words 'the British public have voted to leave the EU'. For a start it should be 'England and Wales have...

It seems to be very often overlooked by many on these threads that it is the Tory party in the role of the current government that has got the United Kindom into this huge mess.

The Labour party have played no roll in the above and therefore have no obligation to cooperate or in any way assist May & Co out of the current situation they have got their party and this nation into.

Therefore, the accusing figure pointing should be fully on the Conservative party as they are 100% responsible for the current national debacle.

Apologies should be role not roll above.

Au contraire, they *have played a role!
They voted along with the Conservatives that the referendum would be implemented and then voted to trigger article 50.
Since then, they have vacillated, argued with each other and
Suggested different methods and strategies to leave the EU.
Latterly they have abandoned any pretence of doing what is right for the UK by going all out to get another general election in spite of this upheaval being the worst thing the country needs in the middle of this mess.