No Deal and supply of medicines

I have no problem with disagreeing with people, agreeing to disagree. If they are prepared to discuss.

And to say that people who disagree with you need 'treatment for that condition' is just vile.

You have no idea how many individuals and their families, have been suffering from real anxiety about their future due to BRexit, in the UK, British or non British, and all over the EU. Anxiety which has led to illness and yes, real depression.
Vile.

Oh give over jura ......egging the pudding, my comment was a harmless one and nothing to do with depression (but you know that already and are just looking for anything to complain about.)

How do you know it was harmless? How do you know if someone is suffering from depression? You have no idea of what may be going on in people's lives. It was vile.

Great speech today from John Major. You can hardly call him an inexperienced leftie extremist in need of 'treatment for his condition':

ohn Major’s strong speech today: “that will never be forgotten or forgiven”.

“I have made no false promises about Brexit that I must pretend can still be honoured, even though – in my heart – I know they cannot.

“I am free to say absolutely and precisely what I believe about Brexit.

“And it is this: I understand the motives of those who voted to leave the European Union: it can – as I well know – be very frustrating.

“Nonetheless, after weighing its frustrations and opportunities, there is no doubt in my own mind that our decision is a colossal misjudgment that will diminish both the UK and the EU.

“It will damage our national and personal wealth, and may seriously hamper our future security. It may even, over time, break up our United Kingdom. It will most definitely limit the prospects of our young.

“And – once this becomes clear – I believe those who promised what will never be delivered will have much to answer for. They persuaded a deceived population to vote to be weaker and poorer.

“That will never be forgotten – nor forgiven.”

jura

Your words:-

" Please, get in touch with any of your friends suffering from cancer- and tell them not to mither, crazily, or otherwise."
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" You should perhaps have the courage to go and tell mothers afraid their kid will not get their insulin, epipens or cancer therapy to chill- please do if you are brave enough."
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I guess what we deem to be ' Vile' is in the eye of the beholder.

As for you repeated ' reporting ' of other posters do you honestly think your posts are kind and gentle?

jura

"How do you know it was harmless? How do you know if someone is suffering from depression? You have no idea of what may be going on in people's lives. It was vile."
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And you don't have a b----y clue who is suffering from cancer but it didn't stop you and others thinking it was fair game did it.

Totally different- it is the FACT, that cancer treatment will be seriously affected by a no deal- and it is absolutely tragic, and everything must be done to try and avoid this.

Ignoring the facts won't let them go away. I have loved ones suffering from cancer - and it is devastating to even think of it - I can assure you I am VERY aware.

That post was in response to some saying I should 'chill' and 'stop mithering' - and yes, it made me see red as it is so unkind, uncough and vile.

And you don't have a b----y clue who is suffering from cancer but it didn't stop you and others thinking it was fair game did it.

POGS Absolutely

It seems to me like using people with cancer (including children) to score points against Brexiteers.

It's not the message, it is the way in which it has been presented which is the problem.

jura

You are not aware and you not a victim!

And how would YOU know?

Well, possibly because you do not live permanently in the UK so hopefully treatment is presumably not going to be interrupted due to Brexit?

My FAMILY IS

but do you think that because I would not be affected - I should stop caring about those who will? Really?

jura

How would I know you are not ' aware ' of the fact your hatred of Brexit and need to put your point over has overstepped a common decency level on occasion yet you accuse others?

By reading your posts.

You want to be taken seriously and have a point to make but by resulting to the tactics you have adopted you are losing the argument. Obviously that is my opinion and not everybody seems concerned .

What exactly are you suggesting jura? That anyone who voted for Brexit doesn't care?

I agree with you POGS. People in glass houses springs to mind.

We are talking here about the availability of drugs and isotopes for cancer treatment Smileless.

It is not my 'hatred of Brexit' - it is the awareness that it will cause very serious issues- and that the above is one of them.

Which is why we should fight to ensure it does not. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring the warnings of medical and pharmaceutical experts- and refusing to even read them- is NOT going to help. And yes, my reaction, and I have apologised already, didn't help the cause. I reacted very strongly, in the context of cancer and other drug treatment- to comments that it was 'mithering' and that I should 'chill'. In the context of the above, it certainly was completely callous and vile.

And now, comments that those concerned should 'be treated for the condition' even more so.

Perhaps, and in fact for sure, those who voted for Brexit were not fully aware of such consequences. Not surprisingly, as no information was given.

But now, we do know - and we should fight for a second vote, and people should vote with the facts.

Or are you like Johnson Senior, and say as he did today, that the Irish and the Unionists can start shooting each other again- if they so wish- and we should ignore it.

Just out of curiosity Jura did you have a vote?

Johnson Senior?

Alan?

The English Language tests for nursing only apply to those applying to be registered. It does not apply to those already in post. So it does not explain why nurses from the EU (and other countries) are leaving in greater numbers than usual.

From the Royal College of Midwives

The latest figures from the NMC show that the number of EU midwives and nurses leaving the register has increased by 29%.

Between April 2017 and March 2018 3964 people from the EU left the NMC register.

Over the same period, only 805 EU midwives and nurses joined the register compared with 6382 the year before – a drop of 87%.

At the end of March 2018 there were 690,278 midwives and nurses on the NMC register – 495 fewer than at the end of March 2017.

NMC chief executive and registrar Jackie Smith said: ‘The number of people from the EU leaving our register remains a major concern, despite reassuring comments from senior members of government and nurse leaders. While the picture for UK trained nurses and midwives appears to be stabilising.

We asked people why they were leaving and for the small number of EU nurses and midwives who responded it’s clear that Brexit is playing a part, while retirement and staffing levels are clear factors in the decision of UK nurses and midwives to leave the profession.

www.rcm.org.uk/news-views-and-analysis/news/rise-in-eu-midwives-and-nurses-leaving-uk

jura

" just a bit of 'mithering' here:"
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Do you give no thought the word ' mithering ' has followed from your own use of the word in your OP and therefore perfectly acceptable for others that follow to use the word of your choice ' mithering ' .?

Doodle, yes.

BoJo's dad.

If medical and pharmaceutical experts explain clearly that Brexit, especially a No Deal, will cause severe problems with the availability of drugs and isotopes, for all sorts of conditions, but also cancer. Is it vile to listen and say 'we must have a second vote, to avoid this (and som many other very important issues) - or is it best to say 'people have voted (and never mind the lies and fraud, and the tiny majority) - so we will just have to accept that - and do without?

I know which I choose.

We must fight for a second vote- now that people know. If someone truly cares for those suffering from those terrible illnesses, choose to put their pride before their treatment- then, there are no words for this.

I wish I'd never taught you the word "mithering" now jura; you've flogged it to death.

jura you really are beyond the pale.

"Or are you like Johnson senior, and say as he did today, that the Irish and the Unionists can start shooting each other again -if they so wish - and we should ignore it" My maternal GM was Irish, she lived in the UK and didn't leave her home for weeks after Lord Mountbatten was murdered because she was ashamed of her Irish accent and feared retribution.

If you are truly representative of the EU and what it stands for then I look forward to the day we leave. Deal or no deal.

This is what Johnson Senior said, not ME! It was a dreadful and totally insensitive thing to say, I totally agree.