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So now who's "stupid"?

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Opal Wed 19-Dec-18 15:55:39

Anyone with a brain cell can see for themselves that he said "stupid woman". I would have had a little bit of respect if he had owned up and apologised, but he's just blatantly lied at the ballot box. Who looks stupid now?

Smileless2012 Wed 19-Dec-18 18:08:43

No, just watched it and he said 'stupid woman', why would he say people when he said it as TM was sitting down?

Annie's D reads lips and says he said woman. I tried to say people without pressing my lips together and couldn't do it.

The man's an idiot and an embarrassment.

Granny23 Wed 19-Dec-18 18:14:08

So it is OK to call a man an idiot but not to call a woman stupid?

mumofmadboys Wed 19-Dec-18 18:15:50

With the country in such a huge mess at the moment the quotes from pantomine were indeed stupid and inappropriate. I really think politicians should grow up and stop all this childish banter and get on with the job in hand.

Lazigirl Wed 19-Dec-18 18:18:51

This thread isn't really about what JC said or didn't, but for the fun of launching missiles from the usual tribal defence positions.

Luckygirl Wed 19-Dec-18 18:19:51

I have just listened to the exchange and TM was frankly pathetic. Speaking of JC's motion of no confidence in her as PM, she mocked him and said it was a pantomime - he is going to have a vote of no confidence in me? - "Oh no he isn't."

It is sad that at such a difficult time, the PM can find no better way to behave than this childish exchange. I don't blame him for being annoyed - she was indeed being stupid.

We need and deserve better from our politicians - on all, sides.

TM is playing dirty politics with all of us - refusing to have a vote till so close to the Brexit end date is cynical and sickening.

Luckygirl Wed 19-Dec-18 18:20:41

Sorry mumofmadboys - just seen that you have said more-or-less the same thing!

Smileless2012 Wed 19-Dec-18 18:22:19

Yes IMO it's OK to call a man an idiot who mouths the words 'stupid woman' and then denies having done so Granny23.

Fennel Wed 19-Dec-18 18:47:17

But really - If people care so much about this???
In comparison with the much bigger issue.

varian Wed 19-Dec-18 18:57:42

What utter nonsense that the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation lead the six o clock news on Radio 4 with this trivia when the country is in a state of chaos.

Smileless2012 Wed 19-Dec-18 19:25:24

If the leader of the labour party had something constructive to offer on Brexit or any other issue affecting the country, perhaps things would be less chaotic.

Luckygirl Wed 19-Dec-18 19:39:54

Sadly, I am not sure that TM has anything constructive to offer either. Hence this mess.

paddyann Wed 19-Dec-18 19:46:31

nothing siad about Denis Skinner calling an SNP..MP ashit or Soames telling Ian Blackford to "go back to Skye" OUR democratially eleccted MP's deserve respect from the other parties .Bercow is very selective about what he hears !!

phoenix Wed 19-Dec-18 19:54:23

The man is an oik.

Really can't imagine him in consultation with other world leaders, let alone in meetings with Her Maj.

Anniebach Wed 19-Dec-18 20:10:12

What May does or doesn’t do has nothing to do with it,
Is it acceptable to call a fellow MP a stupid woman ?

Washerwoman Wed 19-Dec-18 20:16:45

I had the Jeremy Vine show on the radio as the story broke and they had Evelyn Glennie as a guest and as a lip reader she saw it as 'woman'.Tbh as he was responding as TM was speaking it's seems more logical he said woman .But what do I know.The whole H of C is a shambles.

lemongrove Wed 19-Dec-18 20:38:16

Having had a hearing problem since I was a child I am pretty good at lip reading as I have always done it.
DH asked me what I thought Corbyn was saying ( he had recorded it) and I had no idea before I watched the clip what I was supposed to be seeing, it was quite obvious that it was ‘stupid woman’.
What he should have done immediately when challenged, was to say ‘sorry, I shouldn’t have muttered that but I was very angry’ instead, he gets angrier and lies.
What a fool the man is.

Anniebach Wed 19-Dec-18 21:28:50

4 expert lip readers employed by SKY say it was ‘woman’
I still place my trust in my younger daughter who has been lip reading for 40 years, useful when she doesn’t want to wear hearing aids, she said ‘woman’ . He stood there and lied to the house.

MawBroon Wed 19-Dec-18 21:40:05

TBH I dont think there us anything worse in saying “stupid woman” than “stupid man” or as in Dads Army, “stupid boy”
Or indeed that “stupid people” is any better. Unparliamentary language, whichever one he used.

MawBroon Wed 19-Dec-18 21:45:13

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE

merlotgran Wed 19-Dec-18 22:01:59

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8BcCbbJfo

Corbyn just lacks a certain delivery.

Luckygirl Wed 19-Dec-18 22:08:34

I agree that he probably said stupid woman. He should not have said it. I am not particularly exercised that he said woman - it is rude whether he said woman, man, people. We do not want that in the house that makes our laws. But neither do we want TM's taunting - she should have been acting in a statesperson like manner and having serious discussions about the situation in which we now find ourselves, thanks to her.

This childish taunting is pointless and makes me despair.

cornergran Thu 20-Dec-18 00:07:05

Yes, taunting is inappropriate as is JC lying about what he said and the Speaker being partisan. I’m horrified by what I see and hear of the HoC.

POGS Thu 20-Dec-18 01:45:46

I watched PMQ's today and Politics Live and there was no real doubt Corbyn said ' Stupid Woman'. Even Labour MP Barry Gardiner looked embarrassed and had to admit it looked like Corbyn said ' Stupid Woman'.

I find it intriguing how easy Corbyn is defended by those who on another day would be outraged by such behaviour. Lord knows we have thread after thread that has raised misogyny , the way female politicians are regarded and yet when Corbyn displays such undiplomatic behaviour he can be excused. Very hypocritical.

I actually think had Corbyn simply said something along the lines of ''''Sorry I got a bit overheated and did not abide by the Parliamentary Etiquette expected of my position as Opposition Leader ''' then things would have blown over . However to go on and make things worse by making out he said the word ' people ' when it is as clear as a bell what he said this will be seen as another Corbyn Traingate scenario of weaseling out of his actions..

He deserves the flack not necessarily because of what he said as much as the fact he did not own up to his actions .

Day6 Thu 20-Dec-18 03:55:45

There is absolutely no doubt Corbyn said "stupid woman".

That was a sexist and misogynist remark.
It is unacceptable. It does not matter which female it was aimed at.

I am very disappointed that strong women (imo) like Harriet Harman, Yvette Cooper, and Jess Phillips didn't denounce him. How must the women in the Labour Party feel?

Corbyn is a very weak specimen of a man imo. He is weasel like.

Dictionary definition: The verb weasel means to sneak or evade

Sums up Corbyn.

Day6 Thu 20-Dec-18 04:00:14

I am surprised at the women here defending him.

'He was provoked'? Isn't that a defence used by brutal men who strike women?

Oh, that makes his misogynist, sexist response ok then. confused