What next?

I agree with Lyndiloo and Lemongrove. It is not voters who are trying to undermine democracy, it is politicians who obstruct the process at every stage.

Labour want an election and will obstruct everything in a chance to achieve this.

There is talk of further enlargement in the EU, countries being forced to adopt the euro, tax integration, and of course, a European army.

None of which we signed up to, and I feel we now need to regain sovereignty and make our own decisions without being dictated to by Europe.

Jabberwok - yes it might well be worse than the war years as this will be brother v brother, family v family. Civil war, which certain sections of the far right have been calling for.
Yes, I do have knowledge of WW2 as both my parents were involved. My dad was a POW, escaping twice and my Mum was in the ATS working on the 'Ack-Ack' guns.

25Avalon - you honestly think most UK trade isn't with Europe?
''In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, increasing slightly to 44% in 2017.'' This is from an HoC library briefing, so I'd rely more on their figures than some random stuff.

Helen369 - what WAS actually voted for? I don't remember the MP's who supported Leave actually telling us what was on the Brexit agenda. There was a vote to Remain back in 1975, why didn't Cameron remember that instead of forcing us into a vote which nobody really wanted?
The whole point of democracy is that people can change their minds. If they can't, it becomes dictatorship.

I am all for leaving with no deal if that's the way it has to be. My main concern is that once running our own country again, is anyone capable of doing the job properly? We have been governed for so long by foreigners making every one of our decisions, (inc straight bananas), remember those? Is there anyone out there who could do it? I have my doubts.

Ayes.
What do you mean by "We don't have to leave .This is a democratic Country so we can change our minds".
Many of us made up our minds in 2016
We don't want to change our minds.
Just because the result does not please everyone ,it did please the majority.
We do have to leave.
That is democracy.

Well said Lindyloo...nobody talks about the positive ....all you hear is about negative issues. What do you people( the under 50’s) think we were doing before we joined the Common Market? We managed to build an empire without the help of Europe ...they have done nothing but fight and bicker since the word ‘europe’ was coined. Not to mention upstarts causing world wars. It’s not meant to be...well not yet anyway....sometime down the road europe will put away their petit differences and really ‘come together’. None of us are ready for it yet!

Hear hear Lyndilo well said. Completely agree with you.

Does anyone remember The Gravy Train, a satirical comedy drama series by Malcolm Bradbury shown on C4 in 1990? Nothing has changed.

No, Even your first point is wrong Barnet.

The amount of money on ‘that bus’ was correct! £350,000,000 for the government to spend on whatever it likes.
Every Single Week.
Just think on that!

The mistake Leave means Leave made was to say it was for the NHS.

It should have just said something like ‘for The Treasury to keep - every week’.

Mrs May clarified this amount (so not a lie!) at the end of November last year. She is quoted as having said that in fact, since the referendum it was now £390 million a week.

I wish people would stop banging on about this as if it were a lie. And of course the BBC and SKY news didn’t overly make a big announcement about it at the time.

Well, they wouldn’t, would they?

Yes, the poster who said we can revoke Article 50 is correct. We only need the EU 27 member states to agree to an extension. Not the same thing! To revoke it means to cancel Brexit by never re-invoking it - as the Remainers who understand it know full well.

The whole miss mash in the HoC is because even though swathes of their constituents voted to Leave, the HoC is stuffed to the gills with MP’s who are Remainers! They don’t want us to leave and our doing their very best to thwart it. Hence Anna Soubry and countless other MP’s just cannot get behind Brexit even though they were voted in by a party manifesto (Labour & Conservative both) to ‘honour the result of the referendum’. We rely on these duplicitous MP’s to do what we put them there for!

The Lib Dem’s by the way we’re the only party to say at the GE that they would have a second referendum - and they only polled 7% of the votes. Speaks volumes.

Sorry for the rant.
(But I do feel better for it!).

GrandetanteJE65
Omg, being laughed at ? can't you feel the UK shaking in its boots (with laughter) at those in the EU who feel 'indispensable 'to our survival.
Didn't the UK survive WW2 and six years of food and other shortages. We prevented invasion of our island and gave assistance to those across the channel who were invaded..
Countries far across and around the world came to our aid losing their own lives to provide the UK food and other essentials so what leads you to believe anything Denmark imposes will be the end of the world /Brexit.
A few hiccups maybe ?inevitable at the start.
I am, as many like me, getting vibes that others in the EU are more concerned with the impact Brexit will have on them and their country than the UK itself. So why not wait.It may not be the disaster you imagine and implying the UK will 'lose out' on what Denmark offers?
Don't hold your breath.

You have perfectly illustrated the challenge - everyone has a different view.

What would happen if we had another referendum and the result was still leave? It seems people think it would definitely be remain. Also, everyone appears to be mad at TM, why not be mad at the unelected in the EU?

The saddest thing of all is that everyone is so entrenched in their own point of view - and belief that they are right - that no compromise is possible without more anger and division. The referendum dictates that we must leave...the future for our grandchildren has been decided....I hope that they will forgive us and that the Europe of the future will not shut them out.

Oh dear. The old "Britain won the war" chestnut. No we didn't win it. We were struggling on, assisted by a few Polish people, and relying on food shipped from the US and Canada to keep us from starvation. The army had been chased out of Europe and the UK lived in fear of invasion. It was the USA's intervention that saved us and allowed the successful D Day landings etc. Not to mention massive loans.

I'm glad I saved this thread for lunchtime, this is great craic.

Have we forgotten how (against our will) we were forced to bail out other EU countries when they mismanaged their economies? Have we forgotten how the EU enforced laws and regulations on us that we did not want to sign up to? Have we forgotten that most of the EU member countries have never been governed democratically but by a dictatorship? Have we forgotten how little say the UK had in the running of the EU? And who will be running the EU in the Autumn? Better check that one out!

JessM I think you will find that we and our allies won the war, and that Germany and it’s allies were defeated.

Well said Urmstongran the amount of money on the side of the bus was more or less correct ( often it’s more!) but the mistake was saying it was all for the NHS.A great deal of it could be of course.

Just having a cup of coffee in the office and looked in on this thread.

Well, some threads go off topic, but this one has gone completely off the rails and down a ravine. However, fighting the second world war and Brexit in the same thread has to be hilarious to anyone who sees the topic.

I will share it round to other workstations as it will give the staff a really good laugh and a break as we are extremely busy, some of it due to companies making "no deal" Brexit preparations at huge cost.

Many thanks all who have contributed to making us chuckle.

^What do you mean by "We don't have to leave .This is a democratic Country so we can change our minds".
Many of us made up our minds in 2016
We don't want to change our minds.
Just because the result does not please everyone ,it did please the majority.
We do have to leave.
That is democracy.^
Lancslass please listen to David Lammy: www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/videos/767312890292412/

Oh dear Grandad not that same old chestnut of sharing GN threads around your ‘office’......if there really is an office none of you seem to have any real work to do.Can’t you see that continually saying what you do is ridiculous in the extreme.If you don’t like Gransnet, there are plenty of forums with lots of men on them, no doubt chatting about manly things like fixing the guttering, the best way to get to Gatwick and football stats.

Lemongrove your comments are unworthy of Gransnet.

Personally I have always found the best way to get to and from Gatwick is the Victoria Express

We are not usually very 'politically' inclined, but OH and I have been watching the Parliament channel over the last few days and have just watched Teresa May speaking following the vote of no confidence today made by Jeremy Corbyn (who spoke first to introduce it). It's unlikely to be accepted of course and who would want to be PM in place of Teresa at the moment? We both voted Remain, and haven't changed our minds, but just cannot believe the total shambles as stated by the OP. Unless representatives from all factions get round the table ASAP we will be leaving without a deal and that would be a catastrophe.

The Eu don’t care they’ve made it clear that they will not be renegotiating every credible economic expert and the world have said leaving with no deal is a disaster for the U.K. or the EU

I meant to say it will not be a disaster for the EU

What so even if the result is a catastrophe for the U.K. you are quite happily leave.