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Can anybody explain Brexit please?

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Lily65 Tue 29-Jan-19 13:17:40

Seriously, without creating bad feeling, I cannot understand it and don't know who to believe.

mumofmadboys Tue 29-Jan-19 13:39:40

Perhaps you could Google simple explanation of Brexit. It will take too long for anyone to explain it on a thread.

Lily65 Tue 29-Jan-19 13:43:38

good point, thanks.

Urmstongran Tue 29-Jan-19 14:02:43

Erm.... did you vote in the referendum?

Atqui Tue 29-Jan-19 14:05:20

Urmstrongran I am sure that many people who voted in the referendum, didn’t understand Brexit either, so better not go there!

Atqui Tue 29-Jan-19 14:06:41

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43470987-
Brexit jargon explained Lily

Urmstongran Tue 29-Jan-19 14:08:27

Atqui 🤭
Fair point! (Sadly)

Lily65 Tue 29-Jan-19 14:14:35

Erm....yes

varian Tue 29-Jan-19 14:33:38

A poster named EdwinH gives an excellent summary of brexit on the lower part of page 1 of this thread-

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3488451-Brexit-for-this-dummy

petra Tue 29-Jan-19 14:39:24

So you didn't know what you were voting for hmm?

Anja Tue 29-Jan-19 14:40:13

Brexit n
(toht-l-krap)

The undefined being negotiated by
the unprepared in order to get
the unspecified for
the uninformed.

Lily65 Tue 29-Jan-19 14:44:43

Ah OK, now I see!

ninathenana Tue 29-Jan-19 15:06:53

petra I think many of us who did vote regardless of which box they ticked didn't realise what a complete shambles it would turn out to be.

ninathenana Tue 29-Jan-19 15:07:31

Anja smile

petra Tue 29-Jan-19 15:18:06

ninathenana
Neither surprised/shocked/disappointed. All big ( and this is a biggy grin ) negotiations are never concluded until the 11th hour so this one has a way to go yet.

sodapop Tue 29-Jan-19 15:24:18

I think all those who voted knew what was entailed at that time but it has since morphed into something unrecognisable. I freely admit to being at a loss with all the current details.

Urmstongran Tue 29-Jan-19 15:42:35

I do wonder if that has been the game plan all along sodapop .... bamboozle or bore us into giving up entirely over this omnishambles.

Nonnie Tue 29-Jan-19 16:12:25

Good explanation Anja

I didn't know how awful it was going to be but it was common sense that it wouldn't be easy. I can't understand why everyone didn't realise the EU wouldn't allow us to have our cake and eat it. Why should they? Would we if we were in and another country wanted to leave?

Labaik Tue 29-Jan-19 16:12:53

What if the 11th hour negotiations don't go to plan? What are the other big negotiations that did go to plan at the 11th hour? Can I have concrete evidence that everything will go to plan given that the future of this country and it's people are at stake?? Is it all just a huge game of Russian Roulette ? shock

Day6 Tue 29-Jan-19 16:36:01

Just a few reasons for Brexit....

1) To stop giving Brussels and it's many unknown and overpaid bureaucrats power over us, 2) to prevent us being drawn into a power bloc and our forces becoming an EU military force, (the European Federation) 3) to remain a self-governing country, not a 'member state'
4) to not have to pay the EU billions of taxpayers money every year and 5) to enable us to have closed borders to prevent anyone in Europe who fancied it, without contributing, entitlement to the British benefits system, British schooling, NHS health care and housing, all of which have contributed to a dreadful strain on all services. The taxpayer has funded this 6) as a protest at what the Common Market we joined decades ago had morphed into. Feeling we were being swallowed up and losing our identity alarmed many and remains a valid concern.

Before people protest, let us not forget that EVERY major party in the UK knew it would lose votes if they did not address those growing major concerns regarding the EU, which for years our governments had swept under the carpet.

The outcry was loud, services were under strain, the UK seemed to have to agree to Brussels' dictats and the call was that we should be at the very least talking about it. Labour and the Conservative party then HAD to. All party leaders had to acknowledge there were huge concerns regarding so many aspects of EU policy.

The cost of our membership was also ludicrous given we were not addressing needs at home. Official data from the Office for National Statistics, found that in 2014 alone Britain's contribution was £19.1 billion. Remainers talk of a rebate on that, the small percentage given back, but our spending was allocated and governed by Brussels.

From the Telegraph, 2015 - "The figure is equivalent to half of England's schools grant and 56 times greater than the budget for NHS cancer drugs."

"It said that according to HM Treasury forecasts Britain is expected to pay a further £96 billion over the next five years."

"The analysis found that in today's prices Britain has paid £484 billion since joining the European Economic Community in 1973."

That's almost half a TRILLION pounds of taxpayers money, which is desperately needed in the UK.

From the Guardian - 2003

David Blunkett (then Home Secretary in Blair's Labour Government) has said there is "no obvious limit" to the number of immigrants who could settle in Britain, but added that there needs to be a "balance" between "different forms of entry, migration and residency".

People were concerned, and rightly so, as services were swamped. Budgets did not allow for new town building, overspill towns with new roads, hospitals, schools, homes, reservoirs, transportation systems and all the necessary infrastructure needed.

Money has to be spent to accommodate a growing population and to maintain standards. Many thought the money we gave to Brussels would be better spent here.

It was not a protest at immigration but at open door immigration, which no party with sense would see as a good or sustainable idea.

Looking at the key skills we need and the benefits of immigration to the UK has to be the way forward. It also means we decide on our overseas aid budgets and given we are a compassionate nation, asylum seekers with genuine needs will not be ignored.

Remainers will of course decry these reasons for Brexit.

crystaltipps Tue 29-Jan-19 16:37:38

Given that it takes months/ years to finalise trade treaties, that Liam Fox said we’d have everything lined up by the time we left and so far....zilch. I’m sure even the most ardent Torykipper May supporter must admit this government have made no progress in 2 years and have shown themselves to be weak/ inept/ dithering/ nebulous. The demand for sovereignty rings a bit hollow when we realise we cannot trust any of our useless politicians to look after us and our country’s interests. It makes you want to cry. I feeel so sorry for our children’s futures.

Lily65 Tue 29-Jan-19 16:39:02

Exactly Labaik, I can't think of other decisions which will have such huge repercussions being held at the last minute. Naively I have hoped and followed what is unfolding ,but eventually I gave up.

I have absolutely no faith in some sort of " it'll be alright in the end" mentality.

Nonnie Tue 29-Jan-19 16:50:37

Day6

1) They don't have 'power over us' we currently have a veto and, although we might not agree with everything they do, much of our employment law came from them. Ask yourself if it is worth giving up the things you don't like in order to damage our country.

2) Not everyone thinks that is a bad idea. Do we really want to give up all the intelligence sharing? How is that good?

3) Is it really worth giving up all we have for just a little more 'self governing'? We still make the majority of our laws for ourselves.

4) We get some of that money back but what we pay in helps us in less direct ways. We have helped Poland's economy grow so that now they pay more into the EU than previously. Being insular won't help us at all.

5) You are wrong here. It has been shown time and time again that EU citizens in the UK contribute more to the country than they take out. If they don't come our tax gain from them will disappear.

6) It is misinformation which has caused that.

It is unfortunate that these myths continue to be spread and that people believe them. It is hardly surprising that there have been claims about the people who voted Leave especially because of the people interviewed on news programmes. They seem to have run out of argument recently and are falling back on statements like 'oh it will all sort itself out'.

crystaltipps Tue 29-Jan-19 16:50:56

Quoting from a 2003 article is not really putting an argument in today’s context. Even if we thought some aspects of Brexit might be a good idea to persue , the whole package we have been sold by the extremists will not be done without great cost both economically and politically. Any cost savings will be swallowed up by all the extra stand alone costs we will have to generate in terms of extra civil servants, agencies, border force, et al. Much of the mythical £350 million a week is already being spend on this mess, public services aren’t going to be its beneficiaries, more likely all the lawyers and civil servants who are being paid shedloads as we speak. We could have enforced restrictions on EU immigration under the treaty - deporting anyone who hadn’t got a job in 3 months for an example , as some EU countries do, but our sacred governments of whatever colour chose not to do so because of the expense of police, lawyers etc. Bit ironic.

crystaltipps Tue 29-Jan-19 16:55:00

And the idea that we “ can take back control” and “make all our own laws” is blatantly misleading as less than 6%. of our laws are EU laws. Plus is assumes we have a competent government .......