LGBT protest at school

I think one of the biggest issues with this is that people are calling it "sex education". It isn't; it's about how we welcome people who seem different to us in a way that makes us all equal.

Why do we need to delay telling our children that until they are at secondary school?

Just read on a humanist blog that some of the protesters outside the school announced that 'God created women for men' s pleasure'!
Call me racist and anything else you can think of but I can't help wondering why people who think like that actually live here. I'm just exasperated by it all.

The problem ab is that children take the prejudices learned at home into the classroom and bully/upset other children. Schools can’t and shouldn’t ignore this. This isn’t just about LGBT but the whole range of potential discrimination - disability, race for example.

Jane tbf I think there are some evangelical Christians who also believe this as well and not just across the pond. Generally speaking, where there’s homophobia there’s usually misogyny.

Umm, Anniebach, surely you don’t mean that children with same sex parents should be excluded. Or that only one parent should be allowed to pick up so that other children won’t realise that there’s two daddies?

I’ve read more on this topic. And been thinking.

In my opinion these little children are too young for all this. Yes fine, answer any questions as and when they come up (as you would hope to do with any sex education) but they are only little and their questions will be simple as a poster previously put it ‘can 2 men dance together?’. Well said and in my opinion that’s the right level at that age.

Save all this for secondary school.

Urm serious question - what do, you mean by ‘all this’? I think what I’ve read about story books with different types of families is great as are story books with black or disabled children as characters, books were girls are the lead characters etc etc.

Where there’s homophobia there’s usually other forms of prejudice and bigotry. This isn’t sex education, it’s relationship education. Given the levels of domestic abuse, how can it possibly be wrong to introduce the idea of loving, tolerant relationships in primary school?

I think you’ll find that it is the level suggested at infant stage. Together with things like your body is yours, keeping safe, anti bullying, what to do when your frightened, how do you feel when your parents split up- a whole range of things that children experience.

And yes what makes a family. Fewer and fewer children live in the standard two parent family.

It makes sense to enable children to talk about and understand the real world that they experience around them.

Tue 21-May-19 10:10:14

Jane10 Posters would be being racist if they a) blame people's "race" for the reason why they hold these views and b) suggest that all people of that race hold those views. That is simply not the case. Many people, who are not of that race or religion are equally as prejudiced and many who are of that race or religion are not.

Urmonstangran (and others) have you actually looked at the proposed relationship curriculum or are you just reacting to those who want to mislead?

I mean this is too ‘full on’ by ‘all this’.

Yes story books at home, if the child absorbs information that’s nice and gentle. But lessons at this age on this specific topic? Not yet, in my humble.
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Urmstongran, this is not about sex (again!). It is about equality and how we treat people in an inclusive way. None of the books, etc., that I have seen are anything other than age appropriate. I think maryeliza54 is right - what do you mean by "all this"?

Aristotle said, “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”. The Jesuits later took this up because they knew it to be true. If we want to have children that grow up without the prejudices some, even on here, seem to hold, we need to get the message over as early as possible.

The book is about two male penguins who raise a chick together. I think that’s fairly gentle.

Also factual. That does happen.

I’m going on a bit now. But harking back to my childhood when all story books had Snow White or Rose Red as heroines I can still remember the thrill I felt when I found a book where one of the main characters looked like me.

I wasn’t as different as I thought.

It must be very hard for muslim parents if this is against their deeply held religious views. What's the answer? Faith schools are being condemned as encouraging radicalism, which in some cases they seem to.

I don't know the answer. (must be because I'm stupid maryeliza)

I do wonder whether the school has dealt with this in the best way. The deputy head leading Pride march does seem confrontational to me.

It’s very hard for children being bullied by other children parroting their learned prejudices in the classroom and playground GG. And btw I never said you were stupid just that a particular response was stupid ( which it was).

Why? Do you think Pride marches are shameful?

Well I am the dead spit of Snow White so that was fine for me

This is going to be very interesting because ukip are supporting these parents as is Reece Mogg.

We do obviously have to be vigilant what is being taught to our children in schools. Recently we discussed with the head of my children’s former school about the mermaid nonsense from the trans radical community as they had been taking in a neighbouring school.

The head quite rightly was having none of it and I think I am right in saying their funding has been stopped now?

But this book does seem mild enough to not offend in my opinion.

However this won’t be easily solved.

Somebody mentioned racism up thread this has nothing to do with racism it’s religion. You can’t be racist to a religion. Religion is a life style choice where race is a fact.

I shall have to agree to disagree. That’s okay isn’t it? Why worry young children about plastic straws (they are not spending money on them yet), climate change (they just enjoy buckets and spades on a beach) and whether or not some families are different to theirs (kids are like sponges and accept things at a superficial level). Bombarded on all sides from an early age, turn them into mini worry warts and then wonder why during early teens some begin with mental health issues.

You couldn’t make this up.

Maybe because so many of us enjoyed carefree/guilt free childhoods we forget the value of it all and are cavalier in our attitude of not letting the young ones just be children (while they can).

Of course JRM is supporting them. RC and Islam have some nice homophobic and misogynistic beliefs in common.

Of course Pride Marlches are not shameful!!! I love 'em! Especially the one we say in Berlin. Was great!

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Have you any understanding of Post modern queer theory, apparently sexuality, biology, childhood and so on are social constructs?

Why do you think lesbians met on Chairs last week? Why did hundreds met in Brighton for woke news at the weekend? Why did five hundred feminists met last night to launch the women's place manifesto?

Please don't call be a liar and fact check yourself before doing so again.

Oh dear, our wonderful childhood myth. I don’t think I’ve got enough energy to go there atm.