LGBT protest at school

These views are not deeply held religious views Gonegirl. They are views that have grown up in cultures where it either served their purpose and/or there is very little education or both. It is much more about gaining control over others than religion. You can see exactly the same views among the same demographic of the none religious of any culture.

As Mahatma Gandhi sadly said: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” I think you would find that was true about any religion. They all start with good ideas but grow into political structures that people want to control.

There is never a simple answer to complex challenges. The only thing you can do is start, continue and keep trying and the best place to start is with the children before they are brainwashed into the same regressive views.

I don't see how any belief can be changed.

You have those that believe in souls, those that don't believe in souls, those that believe in a God that puts a soul in a body they will often not believe God made a mistake as Queer theory believers accept as their truth.

Eglantine21 you are actually talking to the Pet Shop Boys No 2 fan here. (No 1 fan being DD)

Some people say they are same sex attracted, some like the man standing next to Jess Phillips who said he is a Queer man who is same gender attracted.

DoesAnyoneKnow I don't know about souls in the matter of gayness. I think it's just a biological thing that happens.

be very interesting who backs down here because one side will.

Does I’m baffled.

My point is you have some lesbians saying they are same sex attracted and that they don't want a male body or believe in souls in wrong bodies and you have others believing these women are wrong.

Then you have these queer theory advocates like Moffat teaching this in schools.

You have a clash of queer theory believers against others.

James O’Brien dealing with this atm - has just ranted ( quite rightly) about ‘women being created for men’s pleasure’

I’m even more baffled now.

The two Mummies Moffat is teaching about may not be two biological women.

The Q that's been added to LGBTQ+ is queer, not everyone believes in queer theory.

Some lesbians don't believe in souls so don't believe male bodied people can be lesbians.

Some people from established faiths don't believe souls are in the wrong bodies, so that also don't believe in queer theory which is what Andrew Moffat is teaching.

Jess Phillips would get my vote any date. She is amazing for standing up to them. I'm glad that she pointed out that many of the people protesting did not even have children at that school! And what where all those old blokes doing hanging around the entrance to the school anyway? I bet none of them were grand parents.

But did that bloke really say that Maryeliza good grief if so.

I agree I have always admired Jess and she’s a proud Brummie too!

I've always been open about facts with my children so when, aged about 10 my elder daughter asked me how gay men had sex ( her friends had prompted her to ask me because ' I was the only mum who would not be embarrassed to give an honest answer!'). They knew about men and women so were struggling to work out what they did! I spoke truthfully. I think the best age to give information is when children show an interest.

Just one point, and I'm only going to continue reading this very good thread.
IMO religion is NOT only to be kept in the home. It should cover all situations in our lives in the outside world, eg finances, agriculture, social welfare, plus education.
But that's a subject for another thread.

JP now on JO’B

Tue 21-May-19 11:14:49

I think Queer Theory is more accurately called Queer Theology. DoesAnyoneKnow

There is a great breadth of thinking that comes together under this heading but they can all agree on one thing. They are right and others are wrong. I have to say it sort of makes me feel sick to see how religions can be so perverted from their thoughtful, original stance.

I understand some of you believe in being born in the wrong body, it's a shame that some don't accept other people don't share that belief.

The language is baffling to adults, imagine being taught this in year one!

Are you happy for key stage one children to be taught as fact that these make up one part of a two Mummy couple? These are the types of relationships that Andrew Moffat is teaching.

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France was great when I lived there. Totally secular schools!

I have to say I would prefer the French experience of secular schools and I would also abolish head covering in children under 11 too.

But another thread

I feel as though I’m living in a parallel universe ....
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Well I thought we weren’t supposed to use the term queer any more so I have learned something.

Sorry male bodied lesbians!!!

Aye!!