EU Election Results

Nevertheless Blondie a reasonable percentage did vote for the Brexit Party in Scotland, and as you already know, in your independence referendum the choice was to stay part of the UK.

How many times have these brexiters told us that 17,4million people insist we leave the EU? We have just had an election where Putin's well-funded puppets lost no opportunity to hammer home their message, hold rallies for delirious fans and send umpteen online instructions to the faithful to get out and vote, aided and abetted by the right wing media.

How many actually bothered to vote for the so-called Brexit Party?- 5.25 million. Even if we add the dreggs left in UKIP it only comes to 5.8 million, NOT 17.4 million. If all these people were so convinced, where were the rest of them?

The fact is that in countries which have referenda, at least 50% of the electorate would normally need to vote to change the status quo. To get this into perspective, the population of the UK is 66 million and the electorate about 47 million, so our present situation, as a member country of the EU, should never be endangered unless more than 23.5 million voted for it.

Of course little can be assumed about those who did not vote, but, as we are forever being told 17.4 million voters are desperately keen on brexit at any price, why did only 5.8 million vote to make it happen last Thursday?

We can only conclude that the rest don't care enough, if at all, or perhaps they don't want to be taken for fools again as they were three years ago.

What is crystal clear when looking at the figures, is that leave has a declining mandate.

40% of the voters chose Remain parties as opposed to 34% voting for Brexit and UKIP. (We can only guess what the Labour and Tory voters think of Brexit).
34% is definitely nowhere near the 52% in the 2016 referendum.
So Leave lost!
Perhaps many Leave voters are starting to realise that Brexit is undeliverable.

The only thing that is crystal clear is that the country is as divided as ever

And labour need to ditch Corbyn and make up their bloody minds to support leave or remain

Varian thank you for those figures, I was going to look up the Brexit party figures, you saved me the trouble. Interesting isn't it? So, where were the remainder of the 17.4 million desperate Brexiteers? We accept that the Tories got stiffed because the leave supporters were very unhappy with the lack of progress, and because the remain supporters were unhappy with the fudge and lack of compromise. Ditto the Labour party. So, on the acceptance of that, we have to assume that the majority of disgruntled Remainers voted LibDem or Green or CHUK and the majority of disgruntled Leavers voted Brexit or UKIP. Only a few party faithful it would seem, voted for Labour or Conservative. So, where are the 12 million or so Brexit votes?

I expect lots didn’t vote!

But why Mycat? I thought there was this feverish desperate need to leave EU? Well that's certainly what Farage was saying. So where are the 12 million, anyone got an idea, other than they ^didn't vote^?

No idea I can never understand anyone who doesn’t vote.

It’s really odd I think

That is surely the point. We've been told these 17.4 million people all knew exactly what they voted for, they were desperate to leave the EU, they insist on a no-deal brexit and if they don't get what they demand, there will be civil unrest.

We've been told that these people want to give the politicians a message because they haven't "delivered brexit". So why, if any of that were true, did two thirds of them not even bother to vote on Thursday?

I suspect the kind of people who vote for the Brexit party are the same ones who clap when the plane lands...

I suspect people don't vote because they feel utterly disenfranchised.

Interesting as well that the number of people who voted Brexit is actually smaller than the number of people who signed the "Revoke Article 50 Petition" (over 6 million).

I am however, immensely cheered by the news that Tommy Robinson lost his deposit. He is demanding a recount . I wonder if the one policy UKIP party will just fold now that Farage has formed the Brexit party and taken 5m of their votes? Perhaps this is one good thing to come out of this debacle.

Those who are disenfranchised are people deprived of a vote, like the many EU citizens in the UK who were turned away from the polling stations although they were legally entitled to vote. Anyone who could vote and chooses not to is not disenfranchised, they are opting out of their own volition.

'I expect lots didn’t vote!' ...

and they will be the very ones who will then complain about 'unelected bureaucrats in Brussels'

When are the WTO elections- I keep asking and no-one seems to know - unless .... ?!?

Well if you vote for parties who specifically state in their manifesto they are committed to leaving the EU and then break those promises I guess that is being disenfranchised isn’t it?

Blondiescot
I assume that your sneery remark is directed at people who fly with Ryanair.
I was once on a Concorde flight where people clapped on landing.

Labour

m.youtube.com/watch?v=22bQURKUZPA

On the 26th October 2016 the head of the WTO, Roberto Azevedo stated: UKs transition out of the eu will be fast and smooth and there will be no disruption to trade

No Lemon same BC but surely you would agree he is intelligent and not just in one area? I respect him because he talks a lot of sense, especially in his R4 programme Infinite Monkey Cage where he explains things so well.

mycat more [hmm[

Blondie why do people clap when a plane lands? Never happened to me.

Grany are you actually agreeing with Corbyn when he claims "We had a very clear policy all along"?

He should have been asked to explain his Party's disastrous performance.

I've never had much time for Emily Thornberry but I thought she was extremely frank last night when asked to comment on the bad results coming in. She didn't make excuses but admitted that the Labour policy was anything but clear and that is why so many votes were lost to the LibDems and Greens.

Even though the message from Scotland is still overwhelmingly remain, I fear the UK government would make it very difficult for us to become independent and would drag out negotiations etc in exactly the same way as they have with the EU. So, while I am very happy that we have a 3rd SNP MEP - and that the Lib Dems did well in Scotland - we still face being dragged or catapulted out of the EU against what is very much the will of the people north of the Border.

I do feel a bit sorry for the Scots who want no-deal Brexit because they can't seem to see what a disaster it will be and I think they will be a disgruntled reality who will never appreciate the benefits of self-government until the catastrophe has happened.

None of this is good for our lives and peace of mind and I anticipate Farage and co causing as much trouble within the EU as they can. Not good for any of us.