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jura2 Tue 04-Jun-19 15:22:38

so, as many of us expected- Trump has made it clear today that privatisation of the NHS must be on the table as part of a Trade Deal. And so are animal and bio safety and wellfare- and so much more.

How can that be 'taking back control' as desperate for Deals will be at his beck and all, with our begging cup - and not just him, China, Russia, India and others (with 1000s of visas - talk about limiting immigration ...) sad

And still they will say 'Project Fear' sad

quizqueen Tue 04-Jun-19 19:31:28

I don't see a problem with American firms competing to sell their drugs to the NHS as do other companies elsewhere, or for them to offer private medicine schemes, if people wish to take them up.

A trade deal does not mean selling off the whole of the NHS to the USA. That's ridiculous. For a start it would be a very unprofitable business, as everyone keeps saying that the NHS needs more money throwing at it every year, so what company would want to take that on!

But what about the poor people, everyone will cry! However, with over 70 million people ( probably a lot more than that which is not admitted) living here and the UK population increasing by hundreds of thousands every year as well as unlimited people from abroad using our NHs for free, I don't know whom you think will pay for the NHS to continue for free at the point of delivery for ever.

GillT57 Tue 04-Jun-19 19:41:07

For those still in denial about privatisation of NHS and Farage's involvement; a year or so ago during the tragic case of Charlie Gard, the then leader of UKIP was appearing on US television saying that cases like this only happened with a socialist health care system. Still happy to support him? For those who deem everything that does not back their own view, I am sure I can find a link if you can br bothered to read it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-19 19:47:25

Interesting too that if we do anything with which The USA disagrees like Mexico, China and Others they will slap tariffs with no thought for WTO rules.

Elvive Tue 04-Jun-19 20:04:41

This is totally messing with my head. What on earth has the NHS got to do with Trump. I couldn't believe my ears or eyes when I saw him on TV.

TM looked grief stricken.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-19 20:11:52

That’s because she’ll know how it will play out in the country. She has always known the score and brexiters have tried and will continue to keep a lid on the implications of the deal if they possibly can, or at the very least put a good spin on a very worrying situation.

Ginny42 Tue 04-Jun-19 20:19:07

Hancock has come out and said the NHS will not be on the table on his watch.

Labaik Tue 04-Jun-19 20:30:21

...and how long will that be....?

petra Tue 04-Jun-19 20:34:51

Is everyone aware that our blood plasma supplies are owned by a Chinese company. The Chinese bought it from the Americans who bought it from the uk.
So even if the Americans buy any of our NHS services there's no telling who's hands they are likely to end up in.
'We' wanted globerlisation. This is where it leads to.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-19 20:37:53

No - we want to leave Europe and THIS. Is what it will lead to.

Daisymae Tue 04-Jun-19 20:46:24

The US ambassador signalled this in an interview on Sunday. They will cherry pick the sections that are most profitable. Heaven help us.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-19 20:53:26

One thing we can be pretty sure of is that the pharmaceuticals will go after the NHS. They have been trying to break the price restrictions put on the drugs by the NHS. Drugs in the USA are a huge price.

MaizieD Tue 04-Jun-19 21:18:03

as everyone keeps saying that the NHS needs more money throwing at it every year,

The NHS has deliberately been kept short of money by the tories so that they can say that state funding isn't working and sell it off.

Labaik Tue 04-Jun-19 21:23:03

2017

crystaltipps Tue 04-Jun-19 21:31:53

Those in the Brexit believer bubble think the NHS will be getting £350 million a week so no deals needed. That kind Mr T and lovable Nigel don't want a piece of the NHs do they?

MaizieD Tue 04-Jun-19 21:33:30

'We' wanted globerlisation. This is where it leads to.

But I thought the whole point of Brexit was 'global Britain', petra. So who are the 'We' who wanted globalisation?

What is the difference between 'global Britain' and 'globalisation'?

Labaik Tue 04-Jun-19 21:39:31

Isn't Mr Banks involved in insurance also...? hmm

jura2 Tue 04-Jun-19 22:09:15

hmmmm yes, for sure. S u r p r i s e ...

GillT57 Tue 04-Jun-19 22:40:55

The same nice Mr Banks who funded Farage? Well there's a surprise.

Dinahmo Tue 04-Jun-19 23:01:07

My husband has been prescribed Lidocaine plasters to help the pain from his shingles.(They don't work on him) The price 9 not that we pay for them) is 67 euros for a pack of 30. In the States they are US$170 for the same quantity.

I'm not sure that 'we' wanted globalisation but it's here and we have to deal with it and if necessary try to curb the excesses. Contrary to many beliefs, this is not coming from a position of jealousy.

Labaik Tue 04-Jun-19 23:08:13

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/242300?fbclid=IwAR3G009ARhDGhGwJn4aypCFZGejppG5t50HB-W-6p_txHIwQr4tGBDYPTeo

Labaik Tue 04-Jun-19 23:09:50

Don't put our NHS up for Negotiation petition....

Ginny42 Wed 05-Jun-19 06:49:58

I see Trump has taken it OFF the table. It seems the demonstrations, the trade unions and some senior Tories helped change his mind - for now.

But can we be sure this won't happen once we have left the EU?

Brexit will then be an exit from the EU, but force us to bend over for the US, giving up our sovereignty and control to another nation. Is that what the Brexiteers want?

Make no bones about it Trump is pro Brexit for a reason. For Trump it has got to be good news when a strong united Europe starts to lose its member nations, so the US can pick off individual nations, doing dodgy deals at a high price - interfering in a nation's politics as he is overtly doing in the UK this week.

Why do we want to leave the EU and be in hock to another master? What when Trump finally goes?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Jun-19 07:33:41

I have just watched his interview with Piers Morgan, he comes over better than I thought. He said that the NHS is “not on the table”.

Grandad1943 Wed 05-Jun-19 09:51:34

Donald Trump has two slogans that he has consistently used since he stood as a candidate for the American presidency.

The first of those is " Let's Make America Great Again", with the second being "America First."

The above has been at the very core of all Trump policies since he took office, and the prescribing against companies supplying Huawei demonstrates that the policy of "America First" is actually increasing in its application.

Therefore, no one should now have any doubts in the pressure that British negotiators will be placed under when trying to bring forward a trade agreement with the United States. The US will demand that ALL aspects affecting commerce between the two countries be on the table, and that will include the NHS, agricultural standards, animal husbandry along with workers rights and protections to name but a few.

As stated, Trump is solely for America, and if any forum member believes that he would be willing to allow such a large sector of the British economy as the supply of health care to not be up for negotiation in those trade talks, then I believe that is delusional.

Trump finds it difficult to impose trading demands on the European Union due to its size, and that is why Trump wishes to see its destruction. However, to have smaller nations such as Britain across a trade negotiating table is certainly what he wishes to see, as then the "Amarica First" policy can be implemented to the full.

Labaik Wed 05-Jun-19 10:00:09

A lady from one of the American newspapers said yesterday on Sky News that Trump just says/offers things and not to believe anything her says. He'll offer a trade deal one minute and take it away the next...