Johnson’s Government

My never voted anything but Conservative husband is sitting with his head in his hands right now.

So true GGMK3 - he reflects my thoughts exactly and not in an aggressive way. Unfortunately the Brexiteers will just brush it off as hogwash.

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Yes wwmk2 66 million living here and 92000 get to make the decision ..welcome to democracy

Paddyann

When Alex Salmond resigned over sexual misconduct allegations it was upto the SNP to replace him and Nicola Sturgeon took over.

When Tony Blair resigned the reigns were handed over to Gordon Brown as per Labour Party rules.

When Theresa May resigned the world and his dog cries shouts of wrong doing/undemocratic move/should be a General Election.

Why is passing the reigns in one political party deemed perfectly acceptable but not for the Conservative Party?

I think you already know the answer to that POGS
However, that’s what happens in all political parties, in the end, the members get to choose.

Exactly POGS.

Some people need to take off their political blinkers.

Two threads

I think there will be a General Election sooner rather than later and Labour will have to deare at long last whether it is a Remain or Leave Party, as with the Conservatives.

I'm more interested in Johnson Cabinet selection to be honest

James Callaghan became prime minister without a general
election. Winter of discontent? crisis, what crisis.’

Except Callaghan never made the crisis comment.

What is different about this situation is that it is the first time ever that the party membership have decided on a leader who will be PM. Not that that makes any difference as BJ would have been leader if only the MPs had voted. Personally I think it should just be the MPs that vote anyway but I know most people don’t agree with that view.

I think you are mistaken POGS re Sturgeon. She took over when Salmond resigned after the Referendum defeat. Perhaps the Scottish grannies could clarify?

Yes suzie, Salmond resigned after the Independence referendum in September 2014.

Thanks wildswan

Suziewoozie

I repeated the wrong information re Salmond/Sturgeon on another thread and said :-

"I stand corrected"

You are right to challenge my words.

The main premise I was making is there are posters who challenge the fact the Conservative Party has elected the new PM on various threads stating it is undemocratic/ only a percentage got to vote/ it should be a General Election to decide who should be PM etc.

There is nothing untoward in any party replacing their Leader through their party members ballot and I will make that point.

If Nicola Sturgeon resigned as First Minister of Scotland it would be upto the SNP to replace her. If Corbyn were Prime Minister and resigned it would be upto the Labour Party to replace him. That should be the same principle with Theresa May's resignation and the Conservative Party, unless of course when the principle suits it's fine when it doesn't let's cry unfair/undemocratic and that's why I am commenting, hypocrisy.

I find the constant complaining that only Conservative members get to choose the new PM rather baffling.
Only LP members and Lib Dem members get to choose their leader too, and although PM is the most important job,
If the incumbent PM steps down mid term, this is how it is done.Nothing to complain about in the actual process.

But it is interesting isn’t it lemon that it’s never happened before? I agree they are following the rules ( which as I’ve said before I think are daft for all parties) so I’m certainly not complaining about what’s happened but rather that that’s how they do it ( all parties). Anyway it’s done isn’t it and hasn’t made any difference anyway as to who was elected

But it has happened before, Gordon Brown , James Callaghan , John Major

There have been more over the years too, Anniebach - Winston Churchill, Lloyd George, Baldwin, Chamberlain, Eden, MacMillan, Douglas Home.

It's not unusual, in fact just over half became PM without undergoing a GE.

This is only the beginning. Johnson will be so awful and there's almost certain to be a general election within months. Unless Labour replaces Corbyn, the result is likely to be a four way split with no party able to command an overall majority. It will probably be years before the UK has a stable government.

Apart from Churchill, I don't think that any of them took over in circumstances anywhere approaching the seriousness of what we are facing now. And I don't think that Churchill was quite as reviled as is Johnson. Nor were there any serious differences over who rules the country and what constitutes a 'democratic' process. I think there are now.

But Maizie, Many people adore Boris.

And many, many people don't, Less

I've had a post removed because I stated that Alex Salmond didn't resign because of allegations of sex ual misconduct .I am repeating what I said in it .He may have been charged but all of us who know him know that this is clearly an attempt to keep him out of the way of a second Scottish referendum ....Innocent until PROVEN guilty.Alex Salmond is an Honest and Honourable man who has dedicated his whole life to the cause of Scottish Independence .Shame that there is no one to compare in Westmonster parties !I am now out of this site .I didn't think I would experience this sort of bias on it .Good luck with Boris and the westminster clowns ....you'll need it!!

PS. He resigned because he said he would if he failed to gain independence in 2014 and he did