Johnson’s Government

How do you judge "bad behaviour"? I really don't think that fiddling expenses or lying to parliament, etc. can be compared with trying to do the best for one's child (however politically incorrect it might seem).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there are many Labour supporters on here, especially with Corbyn as leader.

So in view of the fact that not a single leaver on here has either the knowledge or guts to outline what will happen in the event if a no deal, I thought I would begin the education for them. I apologise if any leaver is aware what will actually happen, but your silence seems to indicate that you don’t.

This is not particularly comprehensive, but it is a start.

November 1st 2019

Britain becomes a “third country” by default in terms of the relationship with the EU.
This will drop the U.K. out of every single arrangement, pact and treaty, from tariffs, freedom of movement, foodstuffs and data.
Specific deals with aviation, police and security will cease.

Every single element will then have to be re-agreed.

The U.K. will default to WTO terms.
Meat farmers will have an immediate tariff to pay of 40% of all exports to the EU.
All companies exporting to the EU will need to apply for Customs, excise and VAT procedures.
Delays due to border checks will have knock on effect for firms reliant on constant supplies of stream of supplies. This includes fresh food and components. 1000 lorries an hour pass through Dover alone.
Concern is high over the supply of medicine.

Whatever the U.K. government says there will be checks at the Irish border. Ireland has no choice if it wants to remain a member of the single market.

The U.K. will then have to start negotiating with the EU - involving just the same issues as before. But every single issue will be done separately.
There will be no buffer of a transition period.

Oh, growstuff, you only have to suggest on here that fairness, equality and a more equable distribution of the national wealth might be desirable and you are immediately branded as a desperate communist Corbyn lover poised to bring the UK to its knees.

I love the way they talk of balance???

Oh no! I don't think I've done that, but I'll go and learn the "Internationale" just in case.

Fairness? Equality? Tut tut! All sounds a bit revolutionary! ;-)

But the Mayor of Calais has said everything will be fine, WwMk2. What are you worried about?

(I was amused by a tweeter who pointed out that our French manufactured blue passports might have a problem getting into the UK)

The U.K. will then have to start negotiating with the EU - involving just the same issues as before. But every single issue will be done separately.

What is more, as negotiations will no longer be held under the A50 protocols anything provisionally agreed will have to go back to every member state for scrutiny and approval by their governments.

And in the meantime MaizieD what happens with stuff coming from EU into UK?

It stays in the EU, that’s why the shortages will occur.

So all those perishable foods the Europeans sell to us will go rot and they’ll lose money.....who knew?

30% of fresh food consumed by the U.K. comes from the EU. A further 11% from the rest of the world, negotiated by the EU.

Average tariff increase on food across the board will be 22%.
The government could cut tariffs on all foods, but this would have a serious effect on U.K. food producers who simply could not compete.

The contrast between the governments confidence that it can all be managed and industry is striking. Representatives of food and farming, importers, port authorities and consumers are vocal in their concern.

There is no evidence at all that nonEU food imports can grow significantly to replace EU produce.
1 in 5 households are experiencing food insecurity, and this can only get worse post Brexit.
There Is serious concern about the impact of resultant poor nutrition.

Beam me up Scottie!!

This hyperbole just gets worse! A plague of locusts might descend....

‘Could’
‘Might’

Sheesh.

Of course the price of food is not just subject to the level of tariff.

The fall in the value of sterling will continue and will have a big impact on food prices as well as the tariff.

If however the U.K. decides to cut the tariffs to zero from the EU it must also do so from the rest of the world

That won't be the problem, it's the stuff going from the UK to the EU which will no longer be deemed to be compliant with EU regs as we will be a third country. So, whatever the Mayor of Calais might say, it'll be held up on the French border for the checks we don't have to undergo now because we're still a member of the EU and enjoy free movement of goods. As Grandad has pointed out, this will cause considerable problems for the road haulage companies who work on very tight margins which will be eroded by the waiting times when their lorries stand idle.
As I recall, there was also the problem of permits for third country vehicles to operate in the member states. These were said to be limited in number, not enough for all the UK vehicles working there at present.
Also a question of recognition of drivers' qualifications no longer being recognised.

I forgot to reference my posts.

Taken from a Parliamentary European Union Committee report.

Non-tariff barriers will also cause disruption. The rules of origin are extremely complicated and I have copied and pasted an example below

Rules of origin are criteria to define where a product was made, and thereby ensure that the correct tariffs and other regulations are applied. The WTO Rules of Origin Agreement requires that these rules are administered in a consistent and impartial manner although, as with tariffs, countries can adopt different rules where trade preference agreements, such as a customs union, are in place.49 WTO members must notify the Secretariat of what their rules are; as a member of the EU, the UK currently applies the EU rules of origin.50 Importers present proof of origin to the customs authority, in line with that country’s rules. This issue is explored in more detail in the EU Committee’s report Brexit: trade in goods.51 There are no origin requirements for trade within the EU, but when the UK leaves the customs union, producers will need to meet whatever origin regime is put in place. This will apply even if a trade agreement is reached, as producers will need to demonstrate their product is eligible for preferential trade terms. Rules of origin can be problematic for products that have inputs from different countries; depending on the approach taken to origin requirements products could be excluded from the benefits of any free trade agreement negotiated. The Food and Drink Federation gave the example of a frozen pizza made in the Republic of Ireland, but with flour milled in the UK from grains bought from Canadian, US and UK growers. Failing to meet origin requirements would mean the flour would be subject to EU MFN tariffs when imported from the UK; the pizza would then also be subject to tariffs if exported for sale to the UK.52

Why on earth do people continue to spout this binary nonsensense whereby all things Boris and great and anybody else is hopeless and/or a Communist set on destroying our green and pleasant land?

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You just carry on sticking your fingers in your ears Urm and singing la-la-la. It is obvious that no amount of facts, statements, expert forecast is going to convince you.

Was I imagining the contingency planning for the previous expected departure date from the EU? I'm sure there were plans for emergency car parks on the motorways leading to Dover and estimates of the likely traffic delays. Delays are actually expected to occur and some produce is bound to be affected. No amount of histrionic ignoring can deny that.

Yes the M20 is being used as a lorry park all down one side.

The whole of the M26 is to be a lorry park.

KPMG have reported that one days delay at the ports, will easily cost a company 600-1000€

Lorries are to be fined £300 for queue jumping.