The Real Prime Minister

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Don’t think you’re being very fair saying David Cameron swanned off and has done nothing since being PM.
I read yesterday his book is being published on September 19th, bought for a reputed £800,000. Must have kept him busy in his shepherd’s hut, probably hasn’t had time to listen to the news the last three years.

I don't think Campbell or even Milne and McCluskey are in the same league as Cummings, who seems to be pursuing his own agenda. I think Johnson is vain and loves the thrill of being in power. He's known to be lazy about details and strategy, but he's not stupid. Hopefully, it's a question of time before somebody takes him to one side and tells him he's being increasingly isolated and losing whatever appeal he had.

I still think that he'll walk away from it all and live to tell the tale at dinner parties and on talk shows of when he was PM and what a gas it all was.

growstuff Conservative Central are taking the whip hand over de-selection.

Anyone remember all the pearl clutching and ranting that went on about Labour de-selection?

Might as well be Brexit Central will be in charge of Tory deselections

At one point earlier this year our local Tory MP and member of ERG was threatened with deselection because he had voted for TM's deal. There were notices put up locally inviting everyone to join the Conservative Party and vote to deselect him.

But Jane10 Of course it makes it right. My DH knows everything (or so he keeps telling me)

Momentum have been promoting ' deselection' of MP's ' for years', from the day Corbyn became Leader.

Momentum are/ have successfully placed Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine from the Leaders Office, NEC, councils and it will be Momentum Candidates who will replace Labour MP's who will have been deselected.

The Conservatives are behaving in a similar vein when it comes to ' deselection' so I will not be a hypocrite. There is a distinct difference as to the ' scale' and reasoning between the two however.

The MP's who left their respective Parties and who now sit as Independent MP's should naturally be deselected and it has been my position all along that action should by law have triggered a by-election and I hope that becomes the view of Parliament.

'There are rumours that the Prime Minister Dominic Cummings'

Cummings today, Milne tomorrow, Campbell in the past.

Two wrongs don't make a right (or so my headmistress used to say).

Jane10: sigh. This is not about no Brexit, it is about no deal Brexit.

How can some people come up with “it ll be alright after October 31st” what utter tripe we re in for the rockiest road we ve ever been down since WW2 except everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet then, fighting the enemy and now the two sides are fighting each other,
A completely divided nation,
I would have accepted the referendum if it had been a truthful one but it wasn’t it was built on lies and media/moguls shenanigans about as democratic as a fxxx

I can see no outcome that does not bring about a split in the Tory party.

I can also see great difficulty in the remain alliance winning as there isn't anyone of equal stature bullying-wise to the ERG, on their side.

POGS Quote [ Momentum are/ have successfully placed Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine from the Leaders Office, NEC, councils and it will be Momentum Candidates who will replace Labour MP's who will have been deselected.] End Quote

POGS, the above should read "Momentum are/have successfully GAINED ELECTION of Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine.

Momentum, where they are holding managerial and executive positions within District and Constituency Labour Parties, have been elected to those positions which is much different to being "placed" into those positions.

The number of sitting MPs which may be deselected I believe has fallen to less a than thirteen, as quite a number have spent their summer recess period rebuilding their working relationships with there Constituency Management and members.

humptydumpty sigh. Yes it is! All this agitation wouldn't be going on if it wasn't for remainers determinedly trying to derail our leaving the UK.
If they'd just agreed Theresa's deal NONE of this would be happening.

jane no - wrong, if May could have persuaded the ERG and co-horts to support her WA none of this would be happening

Look carefully at those who voted against the deal . Jane 10. What about the ERG group who most definitely are not remainers ? Funny how they are often overlooked.

Grandad

"POGS, the above should read "Momentum are/have successfully GAINED ELECTION of Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine."
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Accepted but it proves my point.

"The number of sitting MPs which may be deselected I believe has fallen to less a than thirteen, as quite a number have spent their summer recess period rebuilding their working relationships with there Constituency Management and members."

Interesting, you certainly are knowledgeable considering you are neither a Labour or Momentum Member. Is that information from your Union connections?

Who are they, do you know? I guess the numbers reduced as some Labour MP's went to a different Party so would naturally not be selected. Those who sit as Independents also reduced the numbers on the ' desection' list, jumped before being pushed!

WW2 I am roses on this forum nothing to do with lemons

POGS there has always been deselection in both parties. Because of their core views Labour has done it in a more public way by the membership (as we would all expect) and the Tories usually do it more privately by Central Office (as we would all expect) which, of course, is it as open to interpretation as the shouting about Momentum that we hear.

Tbh, certain politicians don't want a deal, any deal, they just pretend they do! What on earth can be decided in six days that couldn't be decided in three years?!!! It's just sad that MP's aren't honest enough to come clean and admit that they don't want a deal, never have and never will, so we're left with No Deal, or Remain, which lets face it is the truth of the matter! At least it proves one thing, democracy only works one way, the political way, go against that and you can forget it!

roses ? sorry to confuse. You would know what I meant if you were a long time member.

Ah POGS well done! a successful deflection from the very undemocratic workings of the Tory party to democratic Labour.
Can you explain the "scale" and "reasoning" remark?
As far as I can see the reasoning in the Tory party is that Cummings says it's so and that's that.

westendgirl Sun 01-Sep-19 13:17:33

Look carefully at those who voted against the deal . Jane 10. What about the ERG group who most definitely are not remainers ? Funny how they are often overlooked.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Sep-19 13:14:32
jane no - wrong, if May could have persuaded the ERG and co-horts to support her WA none of this would be happening.
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What rubbish.

Had the opposition benches voted for the Withdrawal Agreement ' the numbers' would have carried the Withdrawal Agreement passing.

The ERG did not have ' the numbers' to avoid it passing.

I have never received a response as to what Labour objected to in the Withdrawal Agreement. It wasn't the Back Stop and Theresa May gave Labour a further 10 point concession to alleviate the points Labour were suppose concerned about such as the Environment etc.

POGS I am surprised that granddad43 know more than several labour MP’s I know.

I await the names of the MP’s who may be deselected to be posted