NO DEAL is the only way. The EU 'wrote' the WA Agreement.

At last

Huge sigh.

So, Corbyn (the all-new Eurosceptic-turned-Remainer Corbyn, Mk2, the hyocprite-enhanced turbo charged Marxist model ) and co have decided we can wait even longer for a deal.

In three months nothing will happen. The EU delivered an ultimatum months ago. Take it or leave it.

What will happen is Remainer MPs will vote to accept the current one, the dreadful, EU-beneficial one that took almost three years of futile negotiating to draw up.

The agreement on the table right now, which most of us hoped had been consigned to the dustbin will be resurrected.

If we accept the withdrawal agreement, we basically remain in the EU because they will continue to pull all the strings. It will be BRINO (Brexit in name only.)

Remainers are crowing. Parliament is a disgrace and friends with businesses are furious this morning that the opposition has voted for yet more waste-of-time, political point-scoring delays.

Bring on the GE. The Brexit Party could stand alone, without the Conservatives given the mood of the country right now.

If the disgraceful withdrawal agreement is our way out of the EU, when No Deal is taken off the table, so giving away our negotiating power - as May did - our politicians can hang their heads in shame for selling the UK down the river.

Johnson is perfectly at liberty to rigorously Pursue a deal, which whatever happens he will have to do anyway.

It is hum bug to suggest otherwise.

All this does is to ensure the poor are protected, the seriously ill protected, jobs protected, businesses protected.

Whats not to agree with this.

It is entirely up to that shambolic racist to get a deal.

I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Perfectly at liberty to rigorously pursue a deal?!
Really?
If no deal is off the table he can’t rigorously pursue anything.
Why would the EU now offer anything better than the WA that T May got and which was turned down three times in the HOC? What’s in it for them?
If they really thought we would simply leave at the end of October then they may have really thought about upping the deal, but as it is, why would they?
The HOC doesn’t want to leave the EU so is doing everything it can to screw up a democratic vote to leave which they in Parliament had agreed would happen.
As gillybob said this morning, why can’t they be honest and say so?
Because none of them are honest, and that includes Soames and Clarke.

Day6 . Every country that trades with the EU has an an agreement and if we leave without a deal we will have to have a trade agreement as well as other alliances in common, defense, human rights, environmental issues and many more.
The U.K. does not and never will exist in isolation and if we want to trade with the EU we will have to accept their rules, they are not going to accept goods that don’t comply with their regulations and vice versa.
Norway and Switzerland and others are EFTA members each with slightly differing agreements, politically they are separate, but for trade they are very closely aligned and the EU does regulate EFTA strictly. All EFTA members pay for access to the single market, they are not compelled to, they do it because it is in their economic interest to do so.
We are going to continue to trade with the EU and the trade terms we are going to get are going to be comparable with EFTA members and extra tariffs are going to be imposed if we are not members.

It’s the EU that is running the show, we can seek trade and alliances in far off lands, if we want to trade with the EU it is going to be on their terms, when will the leavers realize there is no dream ticket, just a whole lot of uncertainties

Davidhs
It’s the EU that is running the show, we can seek trade and alliances in far off lands, if we want to trade with the EU it is going to be on their terms, when will the leavers realize there is no dream ticket, just a whole lot of uncertainties

Exactly, the EU are running the show, (or so some think), however, if EU wants to trade with us as well as conforming to their rules (which we already do) they must also meet our ts&cs.
Realistically a trade deal should be agreed with immediate effect, because UK already complies with all of the necessary requirements through its current membership. However EU will try to make it difficult, but how they could I am not sure because they would be confounding their own policies and procedures by delaying an agreement on non compliance.
What you forget is that although we buy/sell a lot of goods to/from the EU, we are not tied to these arrangements once we leave. I doubt there is very little that cannot be sourced elsewhere at potentially more favourable rates. The rest of the world do not exclusively rely on the EU and manage to live and trade well. I think there are quite a number who imagine the pantry door will be locked when we leave.

All this does is to ensure the poor are protected, the seriously ill protected, jobs protected, businesses protected

It doesn't although I DO appreciate Remainers think we'd go to Hell in a handcart if we dared to leave the EU.

Any EU laws which benefit us or protect citizens have been enshrined in UK law. That has been stated time and time again.

We are NOT a backward or third world country/developing nation and we have prepared for the after-shock effects of leaving the EU.

day6 listen to those MPs who represent poorer constituencies, they speak from the heart.

How can your conscience or heart inflict such an outcome on these folk.

Why do you always have to use hyperbolic language Day6?

Why do you miss the point?

And why do you claim something which is not true?

We can’t buy all the stuff we currently get from the Eu at “more favourable” rates - that’s the problem.

The poorer constituencies are as such because of:
The decimation of the coal industry with nothing to replace it.
The transfer of industry to Eastern European countries to take advantage of cheap labour. Again nothing replaced these lost industries apart from some EU funding for training in such things as basic computer skills and for beautification of towns scoured of industry.
They have nothing to thank the EU for and showed it in their vote.

Yes of course they want to trade with us but they want to make sure we are not cheating, which is what the Backstop is all about. They don’t want us bringing in cheaper third country goods and passing them off as UK produced, with an open border into NI that would happen.
If we leave with no deal we have to accept their trade terms and they ours, they made it clear nearly a year ago that the U.K. was not going to get better terms than existing members.
As usual in trade agreements one sector or commodity is traded against another until an agreement is reached. Indeed that is exactly what will happen with any agreement with the US or China and if leavers think they are going to get a better deal having burned our boats with the EU they are living in LaLa land, we will be weak very weak.

It’s normal business practice if you have a weak trading partner you exploit them, dear Mr Trump is very good at business practice

Jess Philips was absolutely outstanding in her heartfelt defence of the poor in her constituents and her attack on the dishonesty and lack of integrity of the Tory benches.

Don’t blame the EU for the decline of the UKs industry blame one M Thatcher.

Germany France , Italy have held onto their manufacturing industries- how? By having the support and subsidies from their own governments.

France and Germany have I’m not sure about Italy. Thatcher did a lot of harm to British industry for short term gain. That was a long time ago, since then the majority of British industry has been producing to EU requirements and standards because of trade tariffs, that’s why Honda, Toyota and a host of other companies chose the UK as a base.

crystaltipps
I think you will find much of german industry is done in Eastern Europe particularly their motor industry. I have not researched France, but I would be surprised if their motor industry parts are not manufactured in Eastern Europe too. Billions of Euros have been spent in transport infrastructure within these Eastern European countries to enable the transport of these products between these countries. What has not received EU billions has been lifestyle enhancing benefits for the low paid.
Italy is much the same. Most white goods sold with made in Germany, Italy etc. are actually made in Eastern Europe.
The same with many ‘made in UK’ items. In truth the majority (if not all) parts are made in Eastern Europe and assembled in the UK to enable the branding.

Johnson rightly had a really bad time at the 1922 this evening who were appalled at the withdrawal of the whip from so many of the Tory parties most eminent MPs.

Davidhs
The UK motor industries you mention source the majority of their parts within EU to be assembled in UK and branded as ,made in UK’

Germany, France and Italy still have many home grown manufacturing industries which are certainly not all outsourced to Eastern Europe. Especially big engineering projects. I noticed that all the hug tunnelling machines for crossrail were imported from Germany. I worked in the fashion industry and Italy and France still were streets ahead in terms of textile and clothing manufacture at the high end, these are not fripperies but big contributors to a countries gdp.

And those motor parts are utterly dependent on JIT

Oh dear oh dear. Johnson lying today about negotiations taking place (not) in Brussels.

He is untrustworthy.

Liar and racist

crystaltipps
Did I say all were outsourced?

wwm2
Yes, they are now dependant on JIT. These parts were initially manufactured within close proximity if the assembly units. This should still be the case. Providing employment for the localities and income tax revenues to the governments. Instead the EU employees work for less, with little or no social care infrastructure etc and the companies make vast profits of their backs.

wwm2
Apparently there is a small negotiating team based in Brussels so maybe negotiations are taking place. Maybe not high profile, but continuing.

Crystaltipps
As mentioned, just because the cross rail diggers came from Germany does not mean that they were fully manufactured there. I will try and find out.
Much of the fashion industry products are manufactured in the middle and far east even high end goods.