Will the web being woven, hold?

Sorry, GG13 I didn't notice that you were there before me.

Monica no apology required x

Grieves tore into Mogg ( sit up man!!)

Very well deserved

There is now open warfare in the Tory party.

I have only just come home from work and. Become aware of the days ongoing's in the Conservative Party.

I cannot believe that ken Clarke will later tonight be informed that he has had the Tory whip removed from him in Parliament and will be deselected in his Constituency seat.

Nicolas Soames the Grandson of Winston Churchill may also face the above action.

Never again will the Tory Party be able to level accusations of unfair and undemocratic de-selection procedures at the Labour Party, for within that party any MP open to de-selection can appeal to his/her local constituency Party who will the make the decision.

In the Tory party, that decision is made by Central Office under instructions from Downing Street it would seem.

Disgusting.

grandad according to MN it is already happening.

Whitewavemark2, from what I am reading/seeing there seems to be a great deal more cooperation between the Palimentery Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats.

Let's hope that continues perhaps even into a snap General Election campaign. That would neutralise any cooperation between the Tories and the Brexit Party.

He’s trying to frame it as Johnson and the people against the evil parliament.

That's exactly how he's trying to frame it and he think he's losing. Even people who don't take much notice of politics and parliamentary business are aware that suspending Parliament, lying on an industrial scale and hiding important documents is not the way they've always thought government works. Of course, we're going to see a concerted effort to smear our parliamentary systems and some people will fall for whatever they're promised. However, I've seen from my own small effort to object to the prorogation of Parliament that "ordinary" people are shocked. People aren't quite so complacent and ignorant as Johnson and his cronies seem to think.

That's good to hear, growstuff.

It's touch and go whether there will be a GE, Grandad. Read between the lines of what Emily Thorberry said. I'm hoping that Corbyn has realised that he's been set a trap and that he won't fall for it. Johnson doesn't have a parliamentary majority, so anything he proposes from now on can be defeated, so there's no need for a GE from his point of view. I just hope that the Labour Party puts its brain cells into gear.

PS. I was impressed by Corbyn in the HoC today. Johnson was a bumbling shambles and couldn't answer anything. It actually lifted my spirits a bit to see May sitting next to Clarke and smiling.

I have to agree growstuff. Corbyn looked and sounded quite sane and by comparison with Johnson, almost statesmanlike.

For years I've thought that Corbyn was a great gift to the Tory Party but we may be seeing the tables being turned, although Johnson, right now, seems to be more of a recruiting sergeant for the Libdems.

What I would very much like to see is the media, immediately calling out any lies. Without this steerage back to integrity and honesty our politics will never recover and indeed get worse and worse.

varian, this is one occasion when I bet we'd both be delighted to be proved wrong in our worries about Corbyn's statesmanship or ability to win an election.

Interesting that Tony Blair was one of the first to highlight the need for Labour to avoid a GE right now. I understand the criticism of them for calling constantly for a GE but saying this isn't the right time. They're correct, strategically, its the right thing for them to do.

Imagine - a Conservative and Unionist prime minister sacking Churchill's grandson, sacking the leader of the house and walking steadily into a situation where the Union falls apart.

If Corbyn doesn't fall into the election honey trap I'll forgive him everything...

Labaik - you're safe, Corbyn is clear it's a trap. I'm watching the coverage of the debate on BBC 24 hour news. For those who say democracy is dead, I suggest you tune in. It's happening before our eyes. the majority of the MP s speaking are impressive, which ever side you're on.
I'm on Jess Phillips side! Plus Ken Clarke and even Nicholas Soames, a man I've never admired but I did admire his speech tonight.
Meanwhile our PM is slouching in his seat, mumbling, muttering and glowering. Not looking totally statesmanlike now ?

Sebastian Payne

Boris Johnson came under sustained attack in the 1922 committee this evening for withdrawing the whip from the 21 anti no deal rebels.

The prime minister blamed it on the chief whip, saying it would be wrong to undermine him. "It was completely pathetic," said one MP.

I don’t think that a GE should be held until it is clear that Johnson is able to put a negotiated agreement before parliament, because he keeps insisting he will do a great deal (trumpian) but I along with parliament do not trust or believe Johnson liar and racist.

Agree Iam you could not fail to be moved by Jess Phillips.

Iam; have been glued to the parliament channel for 2 days/nights now! Jess had me in tears. But [I've asked this on another thread] did someone shout out 'sit down darling' when Jo Swinson was speaking? I didn't hear it myself but my partner did and he was disgusted...Ian Blackford is also amazing; as was that Labour MP, Thelma something or other who just spoke. I must find out who she is. And shall write to Jess...

And me labaik

Jess Phillips for PM. Gets my vote.

What a battle, but so interesting to watch it all on TV. I was glued to it last night so much that I for once couldn't sleep and today I am up early as we are leaving for the Netherlands for week.

I think there are very few who fit the term statesmanlike actually.
Certainly neither Corbyn or Johnson.
The whole Parliament is now dysfunctional and hopeless.
The UK is mired down in endless prospects of more ‘kick the can into the long grass’ with regards a leaving date.
The HOC resembles the ape enclosure at London Zoo.

I have never treated Corbyn with the all out hatred some seem to but rather watched his politics with both interest and caution. Perhaps this is because I have never expected politicians to be good at everything or all things to everyone.

I have never seen a politician who treated parliament as his own fiefdom as Johnson does though and comparison between the two seems odious to me. Johnson seems to think himself something he isn't whereas I have the feeling Corbyn is pretty much aware of his faults and prepared to live with the consequences of bearing them for the sake of his politics.

In the end I am personally not overly attracted by personality but rather to policy and overall political stance. Currently, no parties politics seems wholly attractive but the Conservatives are wholly unattractive to me, especially now they seem to be deliberately shedding the One Nation Tories.

But that's just me. Everyone has to reach their own conclusions.