The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

Hi I watched all the questions put to Boris Johnson last night , and I did not at any time see him personally threaten anyone
Yes , as us Boris he probably managed to put his foot in it !! but he was being shouted at from the opposition ,called a liar and I think he did well to deal with the harassment from them
It was a screeching labour MP who first mentioned Jo Cox , WHY , there really was no need for her name to be brought into it !!
And when all is said and done Boris Johnson is only trying to do what this country voted for in 2016 .
The opposition have no right to ignore the vote of the Brexiteers
To add to all this they are aided and abetted by John
Bercow , this man is supposed to be neutral ,and in my opinion the sooner he goes the better
Just remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion !!
This once great country is being sold down the line , it is all so sad

For monkey's tears I have stated that I believe that what happened in Germany could have happened in the UK, or almost any other state if it was not for the accident of events.

Strong democracies are not under any serious risks from the perceived obvious risks. No rather they are at risk from effective rabble rousing politicians who ignore the law, disrespect the law, judges and representatives of the people. It is worth remembering that Hitler was legitimately elected and later appointed to head and form a government of his nation. He did not, nor do most demigods, achieve power by means of a military coup. However once in power they all encourage popular disrespect for the law and the parliamentary representatives and that is the course that our PM and much of his party are about. If successful it may help him achieve his short term objectives however it is possible that he will have thrust a sword of anarchy into the heart of our democracy........or maybe that is his intention so that he can be more like his hero, Augustus.

Baggs
Dictators don't offer general elections to the populace.

I don't think that's true, from the electoral shenanigans we hear about in some countries!

Sorry. Many years although some may think monkey is more appropriate

My daughter who has never suffered the outrages of war or its aftermath told us last night that she saw strong similarities between our current situation and those in Germany as Hitler rose to power. And she also is worried.

No excuse for this dreadful state of affairs.

Parliament 7. Johnson 0. And girly swots win.

Interesting interview with Boris's sister Rachel today on R4's World at One. She was asked about who is deciding Boris's strategy? One of the options she offered was "It could be from people who have invested billions in shorting the pound or shorting the country in the expectation of a No Deal Brexit". (Just looked this up - it's what very rich people do by betting against a future currency, so "shorting the pound" means that they have invested millions in betting that the value of the pount will go DOWN (thus giving them huge profits). To ensure this, of course, we need a No Deal Brexit. Wonder how many owners of the right wing newspapers in this country, currently driving Brexit, are doing this? Are we all being used ?? (Oh yes, and the EU has laws that can be used to ban this practice being used against the Euro - we, of course, have none).

Well done this woman, very brave. I wouldn't like to spend Christmas with that family, for sure.

news.sky.com/…/boris-johnsons-language-was-tasteless…

I would have liked to hear Ferrari's and the Brexit party's responses - did they actually stand by Johnson's appalling words?

CarlyD7, that is appalling.

The very wealthy in this country will also benefit from leaving the EU, because of proposed EU legislation which will try to prevent EU citizens from hiding their money in tax havens.

How nice that Rachel Johnson has also so roundly condemned her brother's language in Parliament and his callous point scoring on Jo Cox's memory.

It’s too early yet for heavy political discussion for me

Same here Urms

However, I am smiling to myself . This is a Remainer 'outrage' thread.

'Active' Leavers are outnumbered, tenfold or more, by Remainers on GN. It's a shame there aren't more of us, but I think many of us have realised the futility of posting anything on threads like this.

However, social media is chock full of posts congratulating the attorney general on his wonderfully pertinent barn-storming speech in condemning our 'dead' and cowardly parliament.

Parliament can more to get rid of Boris. Everyone on this thread knows that. Corbyn has to trigger a vote of no confidence, then there would be a GE.

No one seems to be debating why the spineless leader of the opposition Corbyn isn't doing this - seeing off Boris.

We all know why. Labour is unelectable.

A GE would see Boris and co storm to victory.

The mood at grass roots level is angry. angry with parliament prolonging the Brexit mess. Leavers don't post much, but social media is full of them swatting down government detractors and highlighting the 'dead'opposition - too scared to ask the people what they want.

Ha. Seems I was in the mood to post after all.

So, bring on the GE then?

What Boris is doing may not be the actions of a dictator, but it IS paving the way for him - or anyone else who follows the same path - to be able to transform themselves into a dictator.

I seriously wonder about the moral compass of people who defend Johnson or can't see what he's done. Maybe they're so blinded by their own beliefs that they really don't see it. It's truly frightening.

Exactly! It's paving the way for people to walk along the side of the road - and claim "it wasn't me guv".

Montymops , thank heaven for your post ,

No Day6 Outrage is what Johnson wants to cause. It's a discussion by people who actually care about their country and the way it's run.

I've never been outraged by people I hold in contempt.

Oh, lol, another one!

The reason Boris is not being "seen off" is that it would result in an early election and Parliament being "seen off" too while the election is being prepared for. That is what Boris wants to happen, that is why he and others are trying to bait the House into losing its composite temper and acting precipitately. The House has more sense than to be manipulated in this way.

Fingers crossed Elegran. I never would have thought Corbyn could be made to seem like a statesman.

For whoever asked (Rem1997?) why the Speaker didn't call for order - he did, again and again, while the honourable members of both parties called out a lot of other things - louder than him.

Riponian 42. Quite - I have read every page of this thread and it has been ignored that the vitriolic Labour MP brought Jo Cox into the arena. Why ? Mention of her was quite irrelevant and the Prime Minister's response not in any way disrespectful. Agree that this is a prominently Remainer post.

In what way was the Labour MP vitriolic?

Interesting response, mamacaz, but surely you aren't suggesting that general elections in the UK are shenanigans?

Perhaps I should have said dictators don't offer properly run general elections to the populace.

Do you not agree that rhetorical language has a role in politics Hattiehelga?

Have you never listened to political speeches by some of the most effective political orators?

Do you think it is acceptable to dismiss a speech by somebody who was quite clearly upset as "humbug"? Goodness me, I hope you've never had a caring/listening role.

I you don't know the difference between 'very upset and passionate' and 'vitriolic' well

strange new names appearing all of a sudden - weird, that.

So you honestly think that the way Johnson is running the country is consistent with the UK's democratic systems, as we know them? Really?

What is so important that he has to resort to these kind of tactics. If something really is so right, he should be able to defend it rationally.

Yeah, I thought that too jura.