Why are "Leavers" so angry?

We are not "a convention of tarts" abbey only sensible Grannies who do not want any more of this bre it nonsense because we care about our grandchildren

If you are a real granny and not a Russian bot, you should accept fhat and watch your blood pressure. Brexit obsession is not doing you any good.

I've rather enjoyed the colourful language...

I am supposed to believe you arent I mazie? EU is the next best thing to sliced bread? In your opinion and your experience - like the second hand car someone had a tyre put into.

You really dont get it do you? You really dont get how angry you have made me over the last three years. All you want to say is - oh but we are so right and you are so thick you didnt know what you voted for, gammon,swivel, fruitcake and on it goes.

I wont cry when when what goes around comes around to you.

I am now rather concerned for your welfare and sincerely hope that you have someone with you. Perhaps it might be best to have this whole thread deleted as I think you might regret these posts in the cold light of day.

Oh abbey, despite your superb posts, you really are wasting your time trying to debate with the die-hard remainers on these threads. I've been watching and taking part in some of these Brexit threads for some time now. Anyone whose opinion does not coincide with theirs is belittled and insulted. They ask for "facts" and "evidence" and "links", but then denigrate it when it is offered if it doesn't support their warped viewpoint. Yet they claim that it is fact that leaving the EU would be "national suicide". They are not prepared to even consider that there may be some benefits to being outside of the EU. My advice to you is to leave them to their narrow, short-sighted rhetoric, and come back post-Brexit when the world is still turning, we all have food and medications, the economy is thriving and the sky hasn't fallen down - then remind them of all of their "doom and gloom" mentality. I shall watch with interest.

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Well Grans, if she has done nothing else, Abbey has certainly proved the proposition in Trisher's original post!

Why delete it? You dont want others to realise that there is anger out there? Is that it? I dont think you have even seen the level of anger yet.

Your posts are indeed a concern. And I am afraid, your analysis of the change in Pension age, is, factually wrong. That is a fact.

As for the massive spare tyre issue- well- no comment.
I carry spare tyre or two all the time, and that is not the fault of the EU.

Most of us on GN are grannies. Some are granpas.

If you are not a granny abbey are you a Russian bot?

I believe that given the relatively calm replies you've had, the only person who is suffering because of a serious anger problem is yourself and for your own sake perhaps you should now stop.

Varian I agree, there is something very odd about these posts.

From the horse's mouth. Note Article 7 -

Council Directive 79/7/EEC of 19 December 1978 on the progressive implementation of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security

Article 1

The purpose of this Directive is the progressive implementation, in the field of social security and other elements of social protection provided for in Article 3, of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security, hereinafter referred to as ‘the principle of equal treatment’.

Article 2

This Directive shall apply to the working population — including self-employed persons, workers and self-employed persons whose activity is interrupted by illness, accident or involuntary unemployment and persons seeking employment — and to retired or invalided workers and self-employed persons.

Article 3

1. This Directive shall apply to:

(a) statutory schemes which provide protection against the following risks:
sickness,
invalidity,
old age,
accidents at work and occupational diseases,
unemployment;
(b) social assistance, in so far as it is intended to supplement or replace the schemes referred to in (a).
.-.-.-.-.-.

Article 7

1. This Directive shall be without prejudice to the right of Member States to exclude from its scope:

(a) the determination of pensionable age for the purposes of granting old-age and retirement pensions and the possible consequences thereof for other benefits;

(b) advantages in respect of old-age pension schemes granted to persons who have brought up children; the acquisition of benefit entitlements following periods of interruption of employment due to the bringing up of children;

(c) the granting of old-age or invalidity benefit entitlements by virtue of the derived entitlements of a wife;

(d) the granting of increases of long-term invalidity, old-age, accidents at work and occupational disease benefits for a dependent wife;

(e) the consequences of the exercise, before the adoption of this Directive, of a right of option not to acquire rights or incur obligations under a statutory scheme.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31979L0007

Elegran- you have obviously 'faked' those facts.

I struggle with some legal wording. What does the sentence above it mean - This Directive shall be without prejudice to the right of Member States to exclude from its scope?

abbey
For you ?????????????

I don't think Leavers are angry. Obviously all the people I know and some I don't know very well are Remainers. However I am not afraid of Leavers. If I were an MP I would be afraid of rowdies who are enchanted by cross people's slogans.

abbey if he/ she is not a bot, is a very disturbed person, who would perhaps be happier posting with kindred spirits on brexitcentral.

Am I right in thinking that it means that Member States don't have to do those things?

Having thought about it, I assume it does, which would fit with what I copied and pasted earlier:
There is a misconception that state pension age equalisation was required under European law. In fact, there was a specific derogation for state pensions in Council Directive (EEC) 79/7 on the progressive implementation of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security.

I don't think Leavers are angry

Have you read Abby's really insulting posts? I think that is a prime example of how some Leavers enjoy their anger.

The reason Leavers are so angry is that Theresa May wasted 3 years putting together a Withdrawal Agreement with her Remainer negotiator pal, Olly Robins, which actually meant the UK only pretended to leave the EU. If you take the time to read it you will understand that.

Now, they are concerned that any 2nd Referendum may give them the choice between that deal, jiggled around a bit by Boris, or remaining. So not leaving the EU, whichever way you vote. Just to remind, you folks, Remain in the EU actually lost the vote in 2016.

Oh my!

Just sitting down with my Friday night, looked-forward-to, bottle of wine, and thought I'd pop in to see how this post is going.

So much rudeness, anger and personal insults, and - dare I say - hatred from some posters?

(Johnson has been accused by Amber Rudd of inciting violence by his language. She needs to come here and have a look at some of these posts! Johnson's a pussy-cat in comparison.)

Stop it, ladies! Don't say things here that you wouldn't say to somebody in person, just because you think you're anonymous.

Not all posters, of course. (You know who you are ...!)

We can disasgree, but please keep a degree of politeness and decency in your posts.

Jura2 It was 39billion at end of March and if we had transition until Dec 2020. 6 months has passed since End of March and we have paid another 6 billion since then so less now £33. If we leave without transition period we only owe up to end of Dec and pensions money. New 5 year budget money round comes into effect then and we have not signed up for that if we leave on Oct 31st with no transition period. If we stay after Jan 1st we get trapped into paying out another budget round of 5 years and as our economy grown more than most EU countries i think it is 18 billion each year gross instead of the 12 billion gross we pay now. Remainers know this and just want to wrap us for another 5 years.

Why are 'Remainers' so angry? That's a far better question!

So which of you sneaks and anti democratic remainers is so like your HoC counterparts had to report me? Cant stand robust debate . Like the bubble you live in and dont want to know how others outside of it might feel. If it werent so typical of you, I would be ashamed if I were you. Just shows what you are like.