Why are "Leavers" so angry?

Why are 'Remainers' so angry? That's a far better question!

That is a good question because most of them are but dont like to see it back at them.

A better question would be why are they so determined to ver throw the majority vote by any means they can find? If they are so correct in their thinking why do they find it necessary to insult others rather than dealing with the points? Why do they gloat over the loss of freedom of speech and democracy just because it gets them the results they want? Why can they never understand that many, the majority do not agree with them and finally, why are they so frightened that they have to close down any opposition to their views by any means they can including having people warned and and possibly removed? Why cant they accept others have feelings and views too and that those should in a place of equality get equal recognition and voice?

Those are the questions that have to be asked but remainers wont anser them, they just first belittle ( by suggesting such people are not real or are some kind of bot - really? But if said the same, they would have me deleted) and then have any oppostion to their world bubble removed.

But of course that is always how the left works. Shut down those who oppose by removing their right to speak and then getting them "disappeared " - and those on gransnet ( and grandpa's) must have been around long enough to have seen that happening across the world over their lifetimes. I would even bet that in their youth they would have protested for the disappeared in other countries . So much for their liberal and tolerant views.

You can have an opinion as long as it is mine is the remainers motto.

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OMG I haven’t commented on this thread as I was busy having a life, but a quick glance at the above tirade(s) and being called infantile, deeply stupid and uneducated jumped out at me - If that isn’t an example of an angry spittle- flecked offensive sweeping generalised insult I don’t know what is.

Riot inciter?

It's very on-topic at the moment. I think the government is keen to get a few violent demos going; just as a little warning that opposition to Brexit will not be tolerated.

Let me remind you of the title to this thread Maizie. It says "Why are leavers so angry?". if you ask about anger then expect it to contain with the reasons the anger that is created.

Shutting down views because you do not like them is the refuge of those who have lost the argument. Escalating an argument in the manner you are - suggesting incitement where there is none, is equally a way to play thought police.

If you dont want to know, dont ask the question. I was on topic.

Crystaltips - how many times have you seem the same phrases or worse to describe leave voters - I have been called swivel, gammon, fruitcake, thick, unable to understand what I voted for, too stupid to be allowed to vote and worse r words and b words and similar have been applied. I have had that for three years all over the media and all over sites like this..... the minute I say the same thing back, you are offended.

Why? The words jump at you but I am not supposed to notice them when directed at me. I will refer you to the topic of the thread. I am on topic.

Morning fellow tarts!

Have a good day! I'm off to work, but it's been fun reading this thread over coffee.

Maybe somebody could find a psychological and explain the recent rants. It certainly would explain why leavers work themselves up into an angry tizz.

Ciao!

.... and if you do not think that wrapping yourself in an EU logo ( it isnt a flag as the EU is not a country - yet , they are trying for it) and crying or going on marches and complaining that the end of the world is coming because the thick brexiteers have destroyed you life ( and all of that started the day after the referendum), is infantile, then look again at the behaviour of your little ones. It is reflected in many of the behaviours remainers have exhibited over the last three years.

Forgive me for thinking that since it worked for you, its time to copy you.

psychologist (typo)

Has Mark Francois, Geoffrey Cox or Dominic Cummings invaded the site undercover?

This is the gift which keeps on giving.

Why do you have to try and explain anger in terms of some personal psychological mental illness? Another way of belittling those of us for whom this is important?

Clearly it doesnt matter to you - so why mess around discussing it then? It does mattwer to me.

I explained my anger but that is not good enough, it has to be because I am somehow unhinged - according to you.

This is a result of three years of insults, being ignored, lied to by successive governments, watching remainers constantly complaining and finally having democratic wishes over turned. But thats not good enough for you aparently.

The thing that has turned me most is the constant drip of insults I have heard and endured from remainers over the last three year. I have bottled up my anger because I thought it didnt matter, all would go through.

Whilst many remainers do not know my thoughts and feelings because I have not spoken out, I have become increasingly angry at them and gtheir gloating and belittling comments over the last three months. It was bad enough before - three years of insult throwing and I said nothing.
This has happened to me in real life, not just on some forum. I actually mentioned it once immediately after the referendum because I had been upset by some comments and was unable to respond at work.

Remainers have bullied and bullied and bullied and then ask why I am angry - and when you get told, you ask again as if the answer was not good enough isnt that just a little disrespectful in itself?

Not satisfield with that you have to keep the pressure up with snide asides like " the gift that keeps on giving" - how would you like it if I said the same things to you because I disagreed? Why is it you (remainers) can make such comments and are seen as "reasonable" . You can protest and cry and shout and scream and protest but if I do it I am am some sort of mental case. Isnt that also disrespectful?

I have said nothing about those behaviours for three years. It is your right to protest, to cry to complain - but equally I have a similar right. I have tolerated you, but you have not tolerated me. Tolerance is something you love to talk about but are not good at doing - as per your thought police.

There is very well evidenced psychological research that shows that when you stop people speaking and shut down free speech you dont actually change their thinking, what you do is send deeply into their emotions and sooner or later it will out with vengeance ( and that is not incitement to violence - its a psychological fact).

If you want proof of that take a look at those Eastern European countries who after years of iron rule by Tito found themselves free and started to fight each other. The factions had not grown to love each other because Tito made them live together. It got more deeply ingrained. It all but ended in a genocide. Then they spilt into their original separate countries as that was the only solution. That is just one example. Go and look for the others. There are many.

You ask why people are angry. Well if you shut down half the populations thoughts and feelings, thats what you get. Its not mental illness.

Watch your blood pressure!

We have (mainly) leavers and remainers in our family. Nobody has ever got angry or slung insults. We are intelligent, educated, respectful adults who recognise the right to hold an individual opinion.

We can discuss our reasons for voting the way we did, despair at the ineptitude of our government and wonder when this whole sorry mess will get sorted out.

No growstuff but a Brexit Bully may have done. Let's face it if you follow the incitement the parliamentary Brexit Bullies offer in parliament, this is the result.

abbey I voted leave.

I would have liked to have left on 29th March.

I am not bitter and angry with other’s who chose to put their X in a different box.

I recognise your generosity, GG13 even though I'm happy to dispute with you when occasion arises. But on the day that we leave the EU I shall be every bit as angry (possibly even more so) as our newest friend here. Not least because this whole thing has been engineered to protect and enrich the very wealthy and has destroyed the whole moral compass of a significant percentage of the population.

Abbey obviously thinks two wrongs make a right and it’s perfectly ok to hurl insults around whilst at the same time complaining about being insulted. Talk about rank hypocrisy.

Me too GG13

No good being angry. Just get even - at the ballot box!

Mamacaz "This Directive shall be without prejudice to the right of Member States to exclude from its scope" translates into normal English to mean "But they DON'T HAVE to do this for the following . . (a) the determination of pensionable age for the purposes of granting old-age and retirement pensions and the possible consequences thereof for other benefits;" to comply with the Directive to equalise ^"men's and women's rights in matters of social security^ so you were right - The EU did NOT force the UK government to muck about with women's pensionable ages.

It suited the government of the day to give the impression that they were being forced into this by a nasty EU, to divert the blame from themselves. In the same way, successive governments have done the same whenever they didin't want to take responsibility for anything they thought might be unpopular. Bent bananas and a lot of other fake stories were just that - dreamt up by the press to sell papers when there wasn't much news.

Yes Elegran this change to women’s pensions had Cleggie’s mucky prints all over the paperwork. He was the one who accelerated what should have been a very gradual change by, at a stroke, bringing forward those changes by 10 years!

As a WASPI I’m sceptical as to we we haven’t heard yet anything about the Supreme Court judgement on this. They reported back to Gina Miller in 3 days. We’ve waited another 3 months! Actually that’s not quite fair. Their ruling has been made known to the government. Why aren’t they telling us I wonder?

EU C02 Standards for cars and light commercial vehicles.

When it comes to environmental issues, we regularly hear people say 'there's no point me/us doing anything, unless they do (they meaning 'the rest of the world).
I would be the first to agree that the EU is not 'the rest of the world', but it's a good start. And I presume that the UK government agrees, and is likely to carry on with this when we leave.

I don't know if it's true or not that you can't buy a new car with a proper spare tyre any more (Started trying to Google it last night, but found nothing), but the option of buying one as an extra remains so not a big deal really (note to self - do what you were going to do when you bought your car nine years ago, and do this very thing before it's too late!!!).

The power of vacuum cleaners?
Yes, I remember the furore over that. I also know that, presumably as a result of it, there is now a whole new generation of brilliant lightweight, lower energy cleaners in our homes.
Again, a plus in my eyes.

The proposed EU army (thorough I can't find the post relating to that now to check the exact claims made)

Yes, some countries, notably France and Germany, are pushing for this.
However, I can't find anything to support the claim that "it's definitely happening" (I think that was roughly what was said), or even what form it would take. Several member countries have problems with the idea.
We remainders are the ones always accused of scare-mongering, but currently, that claim appears to be just that - scare-mongering!

Just my opinion, but of course I respect anyone's right to disagree with me, though I would prefer it if they do it in a calm, reasoned and rational way.
Like anyone else, I sometimes get things wrong, which is why I personally like it when assertions are backed up by links (to reliable, reputable sources), so that I can learn from them.

It’s good to have an adult discussion on Brexit but not to turn it into a game in order to upset people and seemingly to enjoy having done so.

In my opinion as an observer there are a few posters on Gransnet who have come on here with the sole intention of goading and insulting others, and are still throwing in their very childish quips. They cross the line of being polite and respecting the view of others, to the point of mocking others.

Am in my car, about to set off to see a client, so can't spend any time checking this, but I've looked up speeches about the so-called European army in the past.

My understanding is that Trump has said he doesn't want to contribute so much to NATO because he feels that the US contributes too much.

Merkel and Macron have said that they would like to see a European army on the NATO model, which seems to make sense if the US wants to withdraw funding. Given that modern equipment is horrendously expensive (and hopefully isn't used that often), it also seems to make sense to pool resources for use when necessary.

AFAIK (and I read both the German and French press), it's an idea and possibly at the discussion stage, but it's not happening.

PS. I don't see why the UK shouldn't be part of a European defence force outside the EU.

PS. Psychologists study human behaviour in general, not just people with mental health issues. Given that this thread is about why "Leavers" are angry, I thought it would be interesting to unpick abbey's posts because she's certainly angry.

Absolutely Bobbysgirl ??

growstuff....stop the goady stuff to abbey and move on for heavens sake, to say you are finding it ‘fun’ says a lot about you.

Are the hoovers lightweight though, mine doesn’t seem to be.
Just lower power I think.The EU army and having a federal state is a definite aspiration led by Germany and France, and since they are the biggest players in the EU this isn’t just a vague idea.Now we are leaving, this idea will be kicked into the long grass probably.