Why are "Leavers" so angry?

abbey, you are so right about the results of shutting down free speech. It makes one wonder what on earth Johnson was thinking about when he unlawfully shut down Parliament to prevent debate.

This blue flag waving is really getting on my nerves now.

You see abbey amongst all the anger, insults and protests you have posted there is one glaring incorrect statement which to my mind encapsulates how Leavers will twist the truth to try and make their point. wrapping yourself in an EU logo ( it isnt a flag as the EU is not a country - yet
My dictionary defines flag as-
a piece of cloth or similar material, typically oblong or square, attachable by one edge to a pole or rope and used as the symbol or emblem of a country or institution or as a decoration during public festivities.
So it is a flag.
You see no matter how much you rant about the aggression of Remainers (and your post is the sort of Leavers' anger I was asking about) they do not post lies and untruths. And I find them singularly understanding to Leavers given that there is very little chance that we will Remain.

Trump said the USA is sick of being taken for a ride regards NATO growmore

All EU countries should have been putting in 2% of the GDP. We put in 2.1% Most other EU countries keep falling far short. No wonder Trump decided it was time to call them out! Fair’s fair.

MaizieD, yes our EU partners will be angry- and I truly can't blame them. The decision of a small minority of those who voted, and a tiny minority of the population - voted to Leave.

It has wasted them huge amounts to time and vast sums of money- for a decision they never had a say in. It will affect their businesses and supply chains, their agriculture, and so much more. And yes, it has rocked the foundation of the EU- and yet, at the same time, make them stronger and more united than ever.

Abbey- the Referendum was NOT binding. Cameron had NO right, according to our own Sovereign Laws, to say it would. If a cross party agreement said that, say, a second Referendum would be binding, with a certain minimum % minority stated- than it could be. But Cameron could not make that decision on his own.

Secondly- the Electoral Commission has proven beyond doubt that it was fraudulently manipulated, on several counts. And because of the above, they cannot act upon it and cancel- because, by our own Laws, it was advisory, so not 'legal'. As not 'legal' they can't use normal Law to cancel. Is that not totally wrong?

Our Law states 'No judgement of a court, no order of a Minister, can be allowed to stand if it has been obtained by Fraud. Fraud unravels everything' Lazarus Estates Ltd versus Beasley 1956 / 1QB702, 712.

The situation since 2016 has changed massively, and we now know the implications and consequences for the Good Friday Agreement, for research, medicine, utilities, businesses and supply chains, hospital, care homes and agriculture, import/exports, safe standards, and so much more.

In the view of the above - I cannot see how some still think that it would not be fair to allow people to vote on the current situation.

I don't know if it's true or not that you can't buy a new car with a proper spare tyre any more (Started trying to Google it last night, but found nothing)

I've googled it this morning. Here's a page of search results, all saying that many new cars have no spare tires (sic). Most of the results are from US sites; I doubt very much if they are conforming to an EU directive!

duckduckgo.com/?q=new+car%2C+no+spare+tyre%2C+eu&t=chromentp&ia=web

If it is in any way insulting, disrespectful, ignorant, etc. to check on the truth of unevidenced statements then our newest poster is in for a hard time because that is just what Remainers will do.

Perhaps the Leavers cheering her on might reflect that posting a barrage of untruths and then getting annoyed when the facts are pointed out does not in any way convince us that leaving the EU is a good idea.

Varian

GGMK3 post of 17.23 27/09 “so all leavers are drunks that explains a great deal”

In that case jura....don’t go ahead and vote for the Lib Dems, they don’t allow any choice at all!

trisher...your post at09.38.39 your last line gave me the first smile of the morning (singularly understanding to leavers!)?

MaizieD it is not about posters ‘cheering her on’ but more dislike of seeing a new poster being mocked/goaded with remarks about mental health that is upsetting ( Gracesgran merely thinks leavers are all drunks!)

So pleased to brighten your day lemon. It is just a pity that you don't realise how upset, worried and concerned those who voted to Remain really are. And what we have from Leavers is a lot of hot air and anger with no solutions to the very real problems the present situations brings and no reasons about why they voted as they did.

I am really not sure that what we have seen on here is real anger. It is more as if someone is happy to be seen as extreme. Perhaps feeling aggression, rather than anger scores points in their world.

Lots of unpleasant goading on here about leavers.

I expect that's why they get angry, just the same as every single other thread.

british cars and spare tyres. Only 8% of new cars have full-size spare tyres, but 30% have space-saver ones. Here is an article on Money-saver about it, listing the ones that do and don't - so you can choose whether to buy a car with a full-size fifth wheel, a skinny one, or just a can of gunge.
www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5744497/Just-38-Britains-new-cars-come-spare-wheel.html
"What Car? said the move away from spare wheels has gathered pace in the last decade for two main reasons: repair kits take up less space and are lighter, thus better for fuel economy and keeping vehicle emissions as low as possible - and they're cheaper.

The motoring magazine said: 'A tyre repair kit costs around £20, whereas a space-saver spare wheel could cost £100.

'So, by providing repair kits as standard and charging extra for a spare wheel, car makers can also make a profit out of this practice.'

Keeping emissions low is for the benefit of those breathing the air where cars have passed, and the atmosphere as a whole, not specifically the EU, and fuel economy is good for every motorist - but the EU makes a good whipping boy.

I don't suppose anyone will respond as to the legality of the Referendum in our Law, sadly.

May I say that another reason Remainers are 'angry'- is that they have seen really dreadful comments, both in the House and in the Press and Social Media- demonising women, and especially women MPs - who are scared for themselves and their loved ones, including their children- because of repeated threats. And that those fears and threats have been dismissed as 'humbug' by the PM in the House - and that he has been getting huge support from many, including women, and from the Far Right for this. Which is appalling and truly scary.

Ah but I do realise trisher and always have done, but people lashing out at leave voters instead of MPs, government, Parliament as a whole etc is frankly unfair and childish.
Am not saying that you do this, but plenty on GN do, and in the nastiest way too, at times.

What a lot of bigotry on this thread. Don't bother to reply as I won't be reading any more.

Sticking to facts or sensible predictions by everyone would be a good improvement.

Now I'll go on to spoil the even-handedness of my opening sentence by adding that most of those who voted left don't seem to be all that good at producing facts and reliable links, or even recognising a fact when it is backed up by solid source material.

One young friend of mine, an ex student- was mocked and goaded over last few days on FB on the subject. It was quite upsetting, and she posted this:

'People have shocked me in the past three years but I think no more than in the last few days, so I just want to say this please.

If you think it’s okay to threaten to kill people, or rape people, or abduct and kill their children, please could you take yourself off my friends list. Because I genuinely don’t know what to say to you.

That’s all I want to say, I won’t be replying to any comments.'

That is so sad- she has two young daughters, and she is scared for their future. 1 of them on life saving medication on the list of drugs that will be difficult to obtain if No Deal.

Bigotry?

jura I don't suppose anyone will respond as to the legality of the Referendum in our Law, sadly.

What good would it do now, 3 years on? If the government weren’t bothered and the opposition didn’t pull them up on it - let’s move on. Parliament obviously have!

Yes Elegran unfortunately you have just negated any even handedness at all.Pity.

No, not bigotry jura ... just hyperbole.

Did you mean ‘left’ Elegran!

Indeed, let's move on- and allow a second Referendum on the current situation.

Stay off any social media site that goes in for that sort of thing I would say jura, nobody is forcing us to be on there.

Our Sovereing Laws are hyperbole? Really?

Social media that goes in for that sort of thing? I can assure you I don't. But young friends commenting on Johnson's language and 'humbug' response over last few days - have been mocked and threatened themselves- by 'normal' people, mainly men but not exclusively. And that is of huge concern, that these sorts of comments are not uttered by far right extremists from Yaxley's gang, EDL of BF - but mainstream. Because this is what has been unleashed.