Why are "Leavers" so angry?

I think many people who voted to leave (as distinct from this strange undefined breed of person called a Leaver) would like a proper and orderly leaving; this mess is not in anyone's interests.

Greece suffered at the hands of Germany because it's in the Eurozone (and because it fiddled its books to join the EU in the first place). The UK is not and won't be in the future in the Eurozone.

It would appear that the government's strategy is to inflame people, so that we have riots and it can call a state of emergency.

Is that really what leavers expected?

If there were a strong case to leave, the government wouldn't need to resort to dirty tricks.

newnanny 'In a referendum situation only one side can win. So will of the people.'

I am afraid, this depends very much where you live and what type of Democracy your Country has. In Switzerland, your comment would be correct. In the UK, it just is not- we have a Parliamentary Democracy, and Cameron had no right whatsover to run roughshod over our own Sovereign Laws, which are 100% clear on the subject : Referendums in the UK are and can only ever be, advisory.

And yet, even in a Direct Democracy system as in Switzerland, where Referendums are binding- the advice given prior to any Referendum has to be very inclusive and checked independently for accuracy and truth. No Red Buses and lies.
And, if it is later proven that a side lied or gave false information, or hid dangers, etc- the Referendum would be called null and void.

The truly ridiculous situation is that the Electoral Commission found clear evidence of fraud and deliberate lies- which would make a normal vote void- but cannot cancel the result as it was not legally binding, eg advisory only- whatever Cameron said- according to our own LAWS.

Do Leavers want to go back to our own Laws - or do they not?

NanaAlix - the voice of reason.

growstuff, yes- this is it it seems. And very very scary- it has Cummings dirty hands all over too.

Remainers will have to summon all their strength and patience, dignity and humanity- NOT to be goaded- and just sit down and put head between knees- and never ever allow incitors of violence to get riots started.

I don't think that leavers like the fact that our own laws are made by our own parliament and adjudicated on by our own Supreme Court.

Does anybody know whether Kate Hoey is receiving death threats?

The EDL and BF with some from Brexit Party will use every dirty trick in the book to incite violence from the other side- and get it all kicking- saying 'it was them what started it' ...

Remain groups all over the UK must urgently get together to train and prepare for this. NOW.

I agree with Lemongrove. Online the abuse is far worse from Remainers especially in the neoliberal press like the Guardian, Independent or Huff Post. It is where Remainers vent their spleen against Leavers.

An example of an angry leaver can be found on the thread:

AIBU-in-thinking-that-the-appalling-behaviour-in-Parliament-is-reflecting-the-general-mood-when-it-should-be-trying-to-set-an-example-to-improve-relations-with-each-other

where there a a lengthy and vitriolic rant.

I think there has been a campaign to halt, disrupt and stop Brexit, not following the referendum, by remainers petulant at losing. I personally don't know any people angry over it, more incredulous that it's been such an awful 3 years and fed up to the back teeth. We just need an end to it, that exchange with 'that' woman. Spitting venom across the house, the response by Boris was in this instance measured, it was purposely misconstrued, she bought Jo Cox into it, pm just meant if Brexit happened, perhaps the country could start getting some work done and see to other matters, not hurling threats and insults across the house. Her behaviour was like that of an irate fish wife. This juvenile emotive language is disgusting, I wouldn't let children watch it. I am rapidly giving up hope of any resolution to this dirty mess. I think we need to think long and hard of the quite and integrity if those speaking for us, from what I have witnessed they just gave their isn't agenda regardless of what Joe public wants.

Everyone is getting het up now that ‘technically’ Brexit is only 34 days away.

This was always going to bubble up right at the end.

Lucky girl I fear you are right. Dominic Cummings seems to be relishing the level of aggression and said at a book signing he was enjoying himself and Brexit would be a piece of cake. I find this unelected person who seems to be calling all the tunes very sinister indeed and am wondering what his real motives are and who is pulling his strings. It is a very worrying time.

Sorry another typo should have been quality and integrity.

Remainer groups have been calling for peaceful opposition for ages.

I find the best strategy is to ignore the wind up merchants.

I think Cummings is thrilled by winning - it's a game to him. He couldn't give two hoots about anybody who gets in his way.

Even Rachel Johnson didn't deny that he could be pulling her brother's strings.

Peonyrose: 'I think there has been a campaign to halt, disrupt and stop Brexit, not following the referendum, by remainers petulant at losing. '

petulant did you say- could it be they are rightly concerned about how the results of the Ref were won, but so much more importantly, about our Sovereign Laws, and even more importantly, the clear and unequivocal evidence at the massive risks to the country and individuals if we go out with No Deal? Perhaps?

Good grief! Just read Peonyrose's post. If ever there evidence were needed of an "angry leaver" …

Thanks for your detailed reply Joelsnan, an interesting read.

I have visited Poland a couple of times, away from anywhere touristy. The impression I had was that communism has left a very large stamp on the collective mentality.

I think pay was about 10 zl an hour and a snack type meal would be about 20 zl. So 2 hours hard graft for a snack. Rents are very high as is the cost of living.

The problem now is that ALL trust in the Tory government has now gone

But it hasn't. At least 17.4 million people are cheering on Boris. Not because he is Boris, but because he is one of the few MPs in the HOC who is determined to deliver Brexit. (Which virtually all MPs voted for in triggering Article 50, remember.)

All trust in our remainer parliament is gone with their inability to stick to their promises and respect the result of the referendum. Our trust trickled away nearly three years ago. They have caused this log-jam when we should now, by rights be out of the EU and negotiating with other countries and the EU as to how we trade in future. Do they have no shame?

strange understanding of 'communism' for sure.

My observation would be that Remainers seem just as angry !