Why are "Leavers" so angry?

varian
These billionaire gamblers are and always have been the ones who were pulling the strings

So, logically by accepting they are pulling the strings, and therefore they are the scaremongers trying to maintain their profit making status quo. Why are you so strongly for Remain?

Who said "all leavers are drunk? Certainly not me

I don't have the words to describe what I think about Cox's and Johnson's performance in the HoC. They both disgusted me, but I suspect that they planned that kind of reaction.

I have absolutely no time for anybody who has attempted to defend them. I care about my country too much to bother with such people.

growstuff
If Yellowhammer was a true document created by supposed long standing well educated Civil Servants then we really are in trouble.
I would hope a GCSE Business studies student could have created something more professional and fact worthy than that, it was total garbage.

I do not think Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers. Robert Mercer, Steve Bannon, Crispin Oddey or Tim Wotherspoon are for Remain

No Joelsnan. They are seeking to make a killing on shorting against the country. (Google if you don't understand what shorting is all about.) They are also hoping that less regulation will mean there is less scrutinising of their tax affairs and fewer regulations to stop them exploiting workers and health/safety regulations, etc.

It's been so bl**dy obvious since the start.

Democracy is and should be about more than putting a tick in a box.

Actually, even the ancient Greeks ( the first democrats) acknowledged that those ticks in boxes ( or in their case balls in a jar) were the foundation of all democracy and needed to be honoured, even if they did not like it.

growstuff
By the same token Barry Sheerman, Paula Sherrif et al’s conduct was above disgraceful.
Sherrif especially reading from pre prepared text was obviously intent on humiliating BJ from the outset.
Cox told some home truths.
BJ full of bluster, his brain cannot keep pace with his mouth.

Most of the small number of disaster capialists are folk you've never heard of.

They bet against sterling and take their funds abroad waiting to swoop like vultures and buy up the assets of the British businesses which rash if brexit is not stopped.

When a BXP parliamentary candidate directs their followers to hound me on Twitter for being rude to her (because apparently asking where she got her law degree was rude) and they unquestioningly do so without even reading the preceding tweets to confirm her allegation then I will perceive those particular people as "non fact-checking, easily influenced, 'super British', [with] overwhelmingly victorious minds". It has been my unfortunate experience to be exposed to their unfounded insults and vitriolic language.

I started my comment by identifying SOME Leave voters are belligerent which also implies that this doesn't apply to all Leave voters.

But there are some who choose to take every criticism personally.

Racists DID vote to Leave but I don't assume every Leave voter is racist or was motivated by FoM, but immediately upon observing that Racists voted Out, some Leave voters will rail against that and cries of "I'm not racist" are heard, often followed by "I'm fed up of Remoaners accusing me of racism".

I was not being condescending Day6, that would only be true if my comments included every Leaver, I was giving an opinion on why SOME Leavers are angry.

The question is - why were you personally offended?

Crash, not rash

Of course Yellowhammer is a true document. Nobody has actually denied it. The government even sent a copy to the Scottish government.

What it is not is the full government document. It's probably somebody's minutes of a meeting. Westminster changed a few words and redacted some details, but it was genuine enough.

I really am astounded that anybody thinks it was some kind of fake.

We're been taken for mugs and the truth is being hidden. I can't understand why people don't see that - or care.

growstuff
No, they would not kill the golden goose. Why is this line being slipped in at this stage of the affair? It would have been ‘outed’ far earlier if it was the case. Just like remain pounced on Aaron Banks, the bloodhounds from Leave would have uncovered it.

I just Googled ‘Paula Sherriff’ and this from Wikipedia was top of the list:

“DescriptionPaula Michelle Sherriff is a British Labour Party ogre. She has been the Member of Parliament for Dewsbury since gaining the seat from the Conservatives at the general election in May 2015. Sherriff was previously a councillor in Pontefract on Wakefield District Council. Wikipedia
Born: 16 April 1975 (age 44 years), Glasgow”

I was HORRIFIED.

‘ogre’ ?? To say I was stunned is putting it mildly.

Who writes this stuff? (I didn’t read further).

I give up. Joelsnan I think you're incredibly deluded and there's no point discussing anything with you. Paula Sherriff and Barry Sherman weren't disgraceful. They spoke passionately about issues which matters to them. Johnson's response was beneath contempt. I feel the same about anybody who supports Johnson.

growstuff
Yes you certainly are being taken for mugs.

Just because the document it ‘true’, doesn't make its content truthful. It was stated to be worse case scenario, however its construction as an official document was woeful.

When I opened the link it said this:

Paula Michelle Sherriff (born 16 April 1975) is a British Labour Party politician.

Do people edit Wikipedia for their own ends?

If so, I must be naive as I didn’t know.

growstuff
Sorry you have reached an impasse. But thats what an intransigent perspective brings.

Personal slights also show a lack of integrity.

Indeed- people who voted Leave did so on the very limited, and often flawed information, and, fact, lies- so I could not ever blame them for doing so.

You see this is the classic remainer argument and in it lies the real problem. Such a mind has no concept of what a leaver may actually have voted for. They never ask and ieven if they did, they never took any notice, so they continue with the mindset that Leavers voting must have been flawed. They cannot countenance that they might be so flawed.

I have not named the poster who wrote this but I have had dealings with this person three years ago. I made it clear then that their thinking was narrow and did not actually address anything I voted for but still they continue with this comment .... three years later and they do not move on.

But I am afraid I cannot understand why people now refuse to face the reality of consequences.

The reality of what consequences exactly? We have not left the EU. The consequences you see at the moment are a result of remaining - at least politically they are.
Economically we cannot say anything because we have not been freed from the restrictive cartel.

Again flawed thinking .... but please, dont let that stop you. It certainly hasnt in the past. Like you, I am not listening to this kind of small minded rubbish anymore.

In my experience of over three years now I have discovered that generally remainers have small intellect and are very frightened people who want to be held and looked after for everything no matter what the cost to their personal dignity or to their pocket ( although actually they would rather take from the pocket of others - usually hard working tax payers like me) as they do not seem to have much to contribute.

That is just my opinion. If you find it insulting, remember , you insulted me for three years, dont expect me to be reasonable anymore.

Why would anybody call somebody gammon?

In my opinion it is the 'remainers' who are angry and abusive.

I don't know where you got that from Urmstongran. More fake news?

Oh great Just listening to C4 News and apparently parliaments spending watchdog has said the Department for Health and Social Care lacks the full information about levels of drug stockpiling. The National Audit Office warned that the government simply doesn't know how many Nursing Homes and other social care providers have followed its advice on robust, no-deal Brexit contingency planning.

The NAO also said that extra freight capacity chartered by the government for priority goods might not be in place for up to a month after Brexit.

I know the Brexit Bullies in parliament are beginning to show their true colours but putting old people in Nursing and Care Homes at risk is, I suppose, straight from the Tory handbook.

Good for you loveOc You're entitled to your opinion, but an opinion is all it is and not worth much.

grapefruitpip - did anyone mention François anywhere?