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Am I the only one

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vena11 Sat 19-Oct-19 22:02:43

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of Brexit. I am not into politics or wanting a debate. I just want things to get back to normal

lemongrove Tue 22-Oct-19 20:40:06

Am feeling much happier tonight ? as Parliament has accepted the deal....wants more than three days to look at it which is a shame, but the first vote is very significant and has broken the paralysis in the HOC.

mcem Tue 22-Oct-19 20:50:23

Is that one vote out of nine for BJ?
Maybe you should open that champagne now. I know you've had a few celebrations thwarted so maybe just settle for this as you may not have another chance!

Callistemon Tue 22-Oct-19 20:59:18

petra grin
Is my name being taken in vain?

Perhaps that question may be better put to my DH!
He would say that his ears are sore.
Although I do see his point of view and it has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration, the NHS or any of the reasons posters assume of those who voted to leave.

petra Tue 22-Oct-19 21:25:22

Callistemon
As if ?

I was just holding you up as a shining example of an intelligent woman ( you do have an 'ology' don't you?) who is married to someone who voted leave.

And, I might add, has never made a nasty ( or one of my favourite words) snide remark to us who voted to leave ???

Dinahmo Tue 22-Oct-19 21:30:04

Ginny42 I'm surprised that the information I provided above just goes over some peoples heads. They don't seem to recognize the actions of the extremely wealthy. Or else they assume that we are jealous. Which I don't think is the case. The likes of Philip Green, who has 3 yachts, stitches up the workers at BHS and their pension fund and is a good example of what is wrong with today's capitalism.

petra Tue 22-Oct-19 22:44:40

Dinahmo
You obviously chose a site that fitted your views.
The website Eurostat ( funding from the eu) puts us at 11th.
Trading economics puts us at 5th

It not worth my time looking any further as it's obvious it depends on who's fiddling the figures.

What site put the uk at 23rd?

Dinahmo Tue 22-Oct-19 23:20:48

No I didn't chose one that fits my views - it happened to be the first one that I looked at (Statistic Times) which was based upon IMF figures and that is the one that put the UK at 23rd.

I don't think anyone would think that the UK was ranked 23rd in Europe! My figures relate to the world whilst those of Eurostat that you've quoted are the EU member countries plus 3 countries waiting to join.

Trading Economics ranks us as 23rd (GDP per capita) and 25th (GDP per capita PPP (Purchasing Power Parity))

I don't see the point of comparing us with other European countries when we are "hoping/expecting" to trade the world over.

Dinahmo Tue 22-Oct-19 23:22:20

PS. There is another one - Worldometers which ranks us at 26th.

Callistemon Wed 23-Oct-19 09:56:36

Thank you petra
I am just polishing my halo grin
DH would say that it does slip quite frequently.

Perhaps being brought up by parents who had different political views made me realise that people can differ but still respect and see the other's pov whilst not necessarily agreeing with it.

Nonnie Wed 23-Oct-19 10:20:31

petra Tue 22-Oct-19 20:26:32 how on earth did you work that out. I haven't said that but do feel free to reinterpret my posts because I am used to people who don't have an answer doing that to me. I would prefer rational debate but clearly not everyone agrees with me.

Sorry but what is wrong with anyone using the tax system for the benefit of their shareholders? As long as what they are doing is not illegal it is their obligation to do the best they can for those they serve. What we need is a tax system which prevents such things happening, not to be nasty about those who are doing what they are paid to do. Many of us had ISAs so we didn't pay tax on our savings. I don't agree that companies should be allowed to pay less tax than is morally right but it is the laws which need to be changed. That is what the EU has done and it will happen in January. Good for them.

I think the drop in the value of the £ is better than any statistic, if is an indisputable fact which no one can argue against. It is obvious that it is a result of the 2016 vote.

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 10:26:06

I think you’ll find the pound was lower in 2011 Nannie, with no Brexit to blame....

MaizieD Wed 23-Oct-19 10:45:39

Somewhat specious argument, that Pantglas. The pound falls for a reason. What the reason was in 2011 I don't have time to research, but the current low is directly attributable to Brexit.

petra Wed 23-Oct-19 10:46:10

Nonnie
how on earth did you work that out
Probably because you posted because I and my DC married intelligent people
By that you inferred that I and other people who voted leave didn't.

That is why I pointed you to a very intelligent woman who voted to remain who's husband voted to leave.

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 10:57:58

I don’t recall why either maizieD but we were buying our little place in Spain at the time and the rate hovered around 1.08-1.10. My exporting in-laws were cockahoop as we were tearing our hair out - it’s an ill wind....