For brexiters only please.

Oh how I wish I was as biased as all you right/left wingers! To have that certainty in my genes that I was always right, without questioning anything I read, always refusing to acknowledge anything that didn’t agree with my core beliefs. It’s like a religion and I feel left out!

Peonyrose: Grow stuff, what country in Europ would you rather be, Greece, Italy, Spain the list goes on.

I've always found it interesting that when Leave voters compare the UK with other European countries they choose Greece, Italy, Spain. Why not compare ourselves with more northern countries, we are after all a northern European country?

It makes you wonder what would or could happen if they got control, there is no room in their agenda for anything other than getting what they want fair or foul.

Are you describing our own government here?

Opal commenting on how we were known as the poor man of Europe.
Really? Where is your proof of this?

Plenty of so called proof, Opal. I arrived in the UK in 1971 and felt as if I was stepping back in time. I have written about this some time ago on another thread but when I mentioned all the things that to me seemed very old-fashioned and 'poor' leave posters did not want to hear.

Free movement of labour - the very thing that we DON'T WANT. We need immigration, yes, but it MUST be controlled and it must be to provide the skills we need.

So why did we choose not to control immigration?

No explanations are needed on this thread.
Oh joy!
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Greta we could compare the UK to Sweden, where in the last 8 days there's have been 4 bombs go off in Stockholm (over a hundred in the last 12 months all over Sweden) or France which is into the 53rd weeks of riots in Paris and other cities.

Of course the MSM does not report this, as it goes against the EU agenda of all is wonderful.

(All the above verifiable on the line)

Oviously this thread was set up for levers as they have no explanations of how withdrawal from the European Union will benefit Brtain.

GrannyGravy13, in regard to your post @08:52 today could you please provide links to what you state as I have seen no reports of bombs in Sweden.

I am aware that you stated it was not reported in the mass media, but you must have obtained your information from somewhere, therefore could you please share?

Power struggle In the PV movement. Farcical really how the opposition can’t get their act together (over anything really).

I think Grandad1943 that us Leavers who post on here are just enjoying a like minded bubble of consent. Nothing wrong with that - it’s only one Brexit thread.

I’m just surprised how many Remainers want to join in!

Grandad1943 I have Swedish relatives, the only UK "presenter" to mention this is Andrew Neil, I suggest you look up his twitterfeed. Or just google explosions in Stockholm/Sweden.

I think it’s enormously generous of the EU to agree to this 3 January flextension.

They want a deal too. I hope we all get one and soon.

* 31st

GrannyGravy13, you are right, there were explosions in Stockholm last week. Perhaps the reason why they were not given space in the media is that they were 'low key', quickly dealt with and nobody was injured.

The question I asked was why do we prefer to compare ourselves with southern European countries instead of northern ones. I was not referring to violent attacks. There have been many terrorist attacks all over Europe and we are all vulnerable. We need to join forces, work together and show solidarity.

Of course the MSM does not report this, as it goes against the EU agenda of all is wonderful.

Unless you can show, GG13, that the problems in France, Sweden and, although it doesn't feature on your list, Spain, are directly linked by the protagonists to EU membership I really can't see why you should cite them. These are internal matters in sovereign countries and for the respective countries to sort out themselves.

I seem to recall that for the first 30 years of the UK's membership of the EU we had an appalling civil war in Northern Ireland* which frequently and nastily touched the mainland of Great Britain. I don't recall anyone citing this as a 'problem with the EU'. They didn't because the Troubles weren't anything to do with the EU.

And unless you can conclusively prove otherwise, neither do the problems in those member states. As far as I can see they would be happening whether they were in or out of the EU.

*I seem to recall that we had some 'problems' with the Welsh Nationalists, too. Also unconnected with our EU membership.

P.S our MSM reports very little of what is going on in the rest of the world...

Urmstongran Somewhere you can call people names and peddle myths?

So, Morrissey says "Fuck the Guardian" and says the decision to leave the EU is "magnificent".

If I were a leaver, I wouldn't be too keen to advertise the views of this man who has taken exception to the Guardian reporting some of his comments. He has often said his remarks (eg describing Chinese people as a "sub-species") have been twisted or taken out of context. However there's no denying this statement he made:

“There is only one British political party [For Britain] that can safeguard our security.”

The party’s leader, Anne Marie Waters thanked Morrissey for his support.

Re For Britain, from Wikipaedia:

"The party received the support of Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League. Its platform includes reducing Muslim immigration to the UK to near zero, and to "bring the entire EU project down".

"Sean O'Driscoll, writing in The Times described the proposed party as intending to fill the space left by the demise of the British National Party (BNP).

"The party fielded fifteen candidates in the 2018 local elections, none being elected. The party expelled two of its local election candidates after Hope Not Hate linked one of them to the proscribed neo-Nazi group National Action and the white nationalist group Generation Identity and showed another as having posted racist and antisemitic content on social media.

"In September 2018, the media personality Katie Hopkins and writer spoke at For Britain's conference."

MaizieD Surely they should be reported as they are all part of the “wonderful EU”.

The far right does not speak for me, I find Katie Hopkins et al contemptible

MaizieD Surely they should be reported as they are all part of the “wonderful EU”.

I am completely failing to see your reasoning here, GG13. The problems in those states have nothing at all to do with Brexit or with the EU. Why are you even bothering to mention it?

If you have a problem with the MSM's failure to report everything going on in the world around us perhaps you should start another thread about it.

Or would you like to address the points I made?

MaizieD your last paragraph “MSM reports very little news from around the world”
Last time I looked, Hong Kong, Syria, America, Venezuela, Africa, India & Pakistan are part of “The rest of the world” and are widely reported on!

As for the relevance to Brexit, I was pointing out what is blatantly obvious to a lot of the UK that the EU States are getting increasingly restless and not as unified and happy as those who voted remain would like us all to believe.

And I pointed out that internal problems of states are nothing to do with the EU; that we managed to be a member without upsetting the equilibrium of the EU while we had a 30 year civil war raging.

If you think that these states' problems presage the break up of the EU I think you are clutching at straws.

So do you see any of the EU states declaring war on each in the next year or so?

There is a lot you can say about "elsewhere" but that does not answer the question ‘how will your life be better by leaving given that you know there are costs from doing so?" I just cannot work out what the leave voters answer is to that.

The civil war in Northern Ireland began in the late sixties early seventies before we joined the Common Market and Welsh Nationalism was a sixties thing also pre Europe entry.

Bloody Sunday, the real kickstarter for the Troubles, was in 1972, the Good Friday Agreement signed 1998, so yes, it was happening during our membership of the EU.

Welsh Nationalism in the 60s? Look at the date on this news report:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ethnic-cleansing-the-welsh-way-a-militant-nationalist-group-has-given-19-english-families-an-1471584.html

Some strange manipulation of history going on here...

Oh dear. Let's hope we don't have any US baby foods included in a trade deal with them

95% of tested baby foods in the US contain toxic metals, report says

edition.cnn.com/2019/10/17/health/baby-foods-arsenic-lead-toxic-metals-wellness/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_content=2019-10-26T06%3A40%3A04