For Remainers Only

www.facebook.com/leedsforeurope/videos/1438362529647261/

I saw Heseltine too. He was, indeed, damning and you wonder just how he feels about his Party or perhaps he realises it a totally different one now.

From the New European

Those who do not want to leave the EU wish Britain to continue moving towards equality of opportunity, protections for people at work including health and safety, statutory maternity leave and paid holidays together with effective action on climate change. It is a progressive mindset with the European social model at its core, which seeks fairness and balance together with international co-operation.

The Leavers have a very different views of the world. Their models are Donald Trump's America and Singapore, as founded by Lee Kuan Yew - small state countries with a supposedly thriving entrepreneurial culture where the winner takes virtually everything. Countries which follow this path are inevitably divided according to income and along racial lines. They do little to protect their populations and spend the bare minimum on health and social welfare.'

Re Singapore - my understanding is that 80% of the housing is social. I'm sure that the ERG won't want the government to fork out for that.

The Independent has reported that tactical voting could cost Johnson 60 seats.

I would imagine that the next election will be all about tactical voting, particularly if Brexit hasn’t yet taken place.

I for one would vote tactically if necessary.

whitewavemark2
The Leavers have a very different views of the world. Their models are Donald Trump's America and Singapore, as founded by Lee Kuan Yew - small state countries with a supposedly thriving entrepreneurial culture where the winner takes virtually everything. Countries which follow this path are inevitably divided according to income and along racial lines. They do little to protect their populations and spend the bare minimum on health and social welfare

Do you work on Blackpool pier looking into a glass ball? You seem to think you know and understand every Leavers mindset and can confidently predict your view of the future.
Please elaborate with fact to justify.

Um joelsnan

Leavers are very good at shooting the messenger without ever reading the message, or who sent it.

That is why they vote like they do.

joelsnan don't hold your breath!!!!

My point made I think

Joelsnan....it’s a good job we don’t write what some are saying about Remainers isn’t it? There is far too much quoting from questionable sources on here and repeating things as if it were gospel.

If there is an election before Brexit then Corbyn is quite right to fear it.

Good piece from the New European WW. It is certainly how I see it. Dynamo, I don't think Singapore's social housing is what we think of as Social Housing.

The ERG, etc., are certainly after a winner takes all society. What I don't understand is why people of an age to join GN think they will in any way benefit from it. I can only imagine our already poor pensions will cease to be at anything like a liveable level and certainly not universal.

Do you work on Blackpool pier looking into a glass ball? You seem to think you know and understand every Leavers mindset

It's not that difficult with Leavers on here. Just start a thread which touches on social issues and you can tell, a good 90% of the time, from the responses who is a Leaver and who is a Remainer. Most of them fall into the New European categories with ease.

I think having an election without having sorted out Bexit will skew our democracy. But can it be avoided?

Barneyoldbat am shocked if anyone on GN has been unfeeling on the subject of your DD thread and hope you aren’t too upset by it.

Go for it, Joelsnan and lemongrove - take the moral high-ground and present some evidence from bona fide sources to refute what Whitewavemark2 and others are saying.

Oh dear. I have just seen next few mindless posts. No discussion about the European article or comment on what they feel is different about their views. I was so enjoying the peace. Thankfully, I am going out soon. I shanty return to this thread if the leave voters don't leave us alone. It simply isn't worth facing the immediate intolerance.

I always try hard not to take the moral high ground about politics Amagran but thanks for the kind offer.

MaizieD and any others who somehow think they are ‘better’ in some indefinable way and know how all Leave voters think ( all 17.4 million of them) should take a moment to realise how ridiculous this is of them.Give your heads a wobble, as a GNer used to say on here.
Leave voters are much as Remain voters, intelligent and not so much so, who voted that way because they thought it was the best for the UK, and still think so.
In regarding Leave voters as somehow ‘other’ ( as a certain poster on here loves saying) is reprehensible.

Thanks for starting this thread Barney.

I seem to have been criticised for every word that comes out of my mouth on here...who would have though it from 'grans' and 'grandads'...so as well as 'leavers' not being welcome on this thread, I hope that applies to bullies too.

Apparently it is unacceptable for some people (on here) to learn, to value education and to value knowledge of other cultures...

I do value learning, I do value education, and I value the ability to speak another language (European or not) and always have. Unless you are gifted with more than one mother tongue, becoming fluent in another language takes dedication and hard work. Hard work which is currently undervalued by the present government.

Speaking each others languages is one way to understand cultures other than your own. And this is very important.

The European Union was not founded merely as an economic entity. To a large extent and with the involvement of many different religious communities, it was founded to prevent war.

The terrible suffering that ensued after the Second World War...many never wanted to see such a thing ever again. Many understood that one of the ways to prevent conflict was/is to form friendships with other nations.

I have lived and worked in another European Country for more than ten years in my lifetime. Many conversations there about history and the Britain. I know full well that many Europeans look upon recent events (and Brexit) as a return of right-wing fascist thinking which should have no place in modern Europe.

I am shocked at the attitudes of some people on here. Fine to go on a cruise to Europe, fine to have a package holiday in Portugal and enjoy the seafood, fine to eat at your local Italian, but less acceptable is to really engage with other peoples' cultures, understand their histories and really cooperate.

I hope people in this country are better than that and I know for a fact that young people are. The other person in my household has friends of all nations and languages.

With the political knowledge that I have (and before the bullies start on here, I'm not apologising for that, I've seen the run up to the Berlin Wall coming down in Germany, I was there and politics is in my blood)...I can see that Brexit is not happening.

It is a waste of time, money and space and the whole thing should never have happened in the first place.

paintingthetownred, as far as I can see this is the first time you've posted on this thread. Do you think you may have got the wrong one?

paintingthetownred there are lots of GN members who have lived, worked abroad and speak more than one language.

Some voted remain some leave.

paintingthetownred posted on the leave thread if I recall and was told she was on the wrong thread [apologies if I've got it wrong, I don't have time to double check...got to go out and get new tyres!]. Welcome paintingthetownred

Great post paintingthetownred! Welcome!

I'd never considered it before. I wonder how many GNers who have worked/lived abroad and speak another language (or more) with a degree of fluency, did vote to leave the EU and what their reasons were.

Actually lemongrove every single survey/poll has shown that those who voted to leave tended to be older and lower educational qualifications. The lower educational qualifications, of course, has something to do with age because there were fewer opportunities in the past. It doesn't mean that people are less intelligent.

Polls and surveys have thrown up some other facts too, such as a high correlation between those voting to leave and wanting to bring back the death penalty. Make of that what you will!

I'm going out, so won't be replying.

Thanks for clarifying Labaik. Welcome from me too paintingthetownred. Let's hope you find this a comfortable thread.