Waspi women

What makes that all the more surprising is that your state pension doesn't even arrive automatically on the day you're eligible for it. You have to claim it...

I did get my pension at 60 and even though the changes didn’t affect me I knew they were coming. Therefore I can’t understand those who say they knew nothing about the changes.

Having said that I do think there were too many hiccups and jumps as the age kept being moved. Those daft enough not to check could easily have been caught up.

However, there is a case to be made that this could and should have been rolled out more efficiently and with greater communication. Yet when a party acknowledges this and says they will do something to compensate what happens? They get kicked in the teeth by those they want to help.

So no sympathy.

I am not convinced about LP stance on it being a burning injustice to us WASPIs. Why now and not 2010 or in the recent Parliament. The WASPI campaign has brought it very much to the fore but the inequality lies deep in the past, a legacy from 60s 70s and into the 80s with Goverment of both colours. I knew from 1995 that I would have to work to 65, and was fortunate in the early 2002 to move my career to a place where I would get a good occupational pension. 2010 just moved the goalposts to 66. I appreciate that I am fortunate where others aren't and hope that if compensation is due then it is focussed on those with most need. The cynical part of me thinks "Oh look there is a demographic we can tempt to vote for us" The money has to come from somewhere and it will come out our pockets one way or another through higher prices, taxes, or inflation.

MaizieD ....and it may surprise you to know that many people are thinking the same as me, that the LP stance on WASPI women was (manifesto) that they would have a think about it and work with women on it......and what they did was to try and overshadow the Conservative manifesto by suddenly (as in hey presto!) Announce a massive and uncosted amount to give in reparation.
Ok, it’s an election and many tricks are used to gain an advantage, but please don’t insult the intelligence of anyone on this forum by pretending it was what they were going to do all along. If it had been, it would have been in the
Manifesto, costed (!) and announced then, a week ago.

If it’s not in the Manifesto, don’t trust it. Not that I would anyway, so much is being promised it mostly has to be pie in the sky. I’m just waiting to see what goodies come out of the ether next. Rural bus services every ten minutes from your house?

and it may surprise you to know that many people are thinking the same as me

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, lemon for reasons I won't state because my post would be deleted. But fortunately you don't speak for everybody although you like to post as if you do...

I'm not pretending anything.. The manifesto clearly states that they intended to do something.

What I still can't discover is where this figure of £58 billion originated.

The main reason we have to claim the state pension is that some people over the years chose to postpone receipt if they were continuing to work, which avoided losing 20%/40% tax on it.

Pre 2016 you got an uplift of approx 10% for each year you delayed but since that date the percentage has dropped to around 5% which makes it less attractive but I have friends who have still chosen to do so.

Well I'm voting Labour - for the first time in my life - and not because of the WASPI issue. I had read it in their manifesto a week or so ago and knew something would be done about it but that's not why. I genuinely believe JC is the most honest politician around today. For a start, he was the politician who claimed the least amount of expenses at the time of the expenses scandal. I can see why people might have an issue with Diane Abbott - I too find her uninspiring - and tbh JC doesn't come across as a dynamic personality but that's not what I want in my Prime Minister. I want someone who genuinely wants to make a difference for those members of society who suffer in so many ways - he is, to my thinking, a very straight and honest man and I hope he gets elected.

Oh MaizieD that’s hilarious! What I am saying is all over tv and radio and social media, so do come off it!

Their manifesto promised they would do something.....yes, have a think about it and ‘work with the women’ !!!

Not suddenly announce a package costing billions that they hadn’t taken into consideration when costing their manifesto.

It’s a typical election tricks type of announcement, and all’s fair in love and General Elections, but do stop saying mealy mouthed things in defence of it.

None of it really matters of course, because Labour is trailing badly in the polls, so will no doubt never be called upon to make good their outrageous promises to anyone.

I have to agree with Maizies unstated reasons.

Sometimes you have to call it as it is and the forensic assessment of the Tory manifesto is only just beginning and oh look ... Boris has murdered the old One Nation Tory party and replaced it with the ERG who, as we know from the referendum, can't add up.

If the body is cold and the breathing has stopped then sometimes no amount of lying will revive it.

^ but do stop saying mealy mouthed things in defence of it.^

Are you getting personal again LG?

I think the only cold dead body around is the LP as lead by Jeremy Corbyn.When he is gone it can start to revive under a more moderate LOTO.
I imagine he will resign immediately after the GE.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/50546923
Worth going on the BBC Fact check site where they have a calculator from the Labour Party telling you how much compensation you will get over 5 years. I was born in 1956 and they are saying I will get £24,000.

I’ve just done it Dyffryn and I’d get almost £27000 but I imagine tax of 20% would be deducted.

Even if taxed it’s too much money for me to turn down. Pantglas

I'd get £31,300. Now that's what I CALL an election bribe! Can hardly wait. Will the cheque be in the post by Christmas?

Still won't vote Labour though!

Glad you can afford not too, wish I could. Will be paid over 5 years. I could vote Tory if that was promised.

I think the waspi women have had a bad deal and should be compensated. My younger sister is one of them. However when she does get her pension it will be quite a lot bigger than mine.

I was one of those who followed government advice in the 1960s to opt for a "married woman's stamp" which meant that, having worked for umpteen years, I got a reduced pension, albeit paid when I was sixty.

I could never have survived on that and was fortunate to be able to continue working well into my seventies. I was a self employed professional and in good health.

Not every woman can do that, although as a generation we are healthier and live longer, there needs to be a safety net for those who experience misfortune.

I do not think any of us should begrudge compensation to the waspi women.

I could be selfish and say I’m alright Jack on the above basis. The problem with this is that women born in 1960 will get nothing so they could then claim unfairness and this could go on ad infinitum through the sixties- there has to be a point where we accept what’s been done and move on.

I only got 4 years notice (and that was not from the government) from a friend about pension age change. This was and is totally unacceptable. Many MP’s across all parties have said so. Many women got even less notice.

I am a Waspi as well and I don't believe for one moment what he said would actually happen. As for Jeremy "being a man of principals", tell that to the Jewish population?

From what I've seen the Jewish population is divided on this. He has many Jewish supporters. Jews are as diverse in their views as any other section of the population. The rightwing media (i.e most of the UK's media) have worked very hard on this. Believe whatever you like. I doubt if the real story is anything like as bad as is painted by the RW media.

The manifesto clearly states that they intended to do something.

Yes - talk about it!!

What I still can't discover is where this figure of £58 billion originated.
Labour pledges £58bn for women caught in pension trap
That was from the Guardian, so it must be right.

If the body is cold and the breathing has stopped then sometimes no amount of lying will revive it.

A new leader could, though - which is what Labour should have thought about way before this election was called.

With a new leader and a sensible, affordable manifesto, they would stand a good chance of being elected.