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The future if Boris gets in

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Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 08:09:32

Take back control??? ???

Yehbutnobut Wed 11-Dec-19 09:14:48

Or Annie do you want to spend money on public services or not.

trisher Wed 11-Dec-19 09:54:36

Or do you want to continue seeing foodbanks increase and homeless numbers soar?

MaizieD Wed 11-Dec-19 10:07:45

Most people really like Labour policies, so long as they don't know who formulated them

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 10:10:51

Mombiot has written about that maizie

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 10:18:41

More polls

Currently intending to vote Conservative by age group:

18-24: 18%
25-49: 30%
50-64: 47%
65+: 65%

YouGov 5-6 Dec

SirChenjin Wed 11-Dec-19 10:22:28

No surprise there. Give it five to ten years and the Tories will be gone and we’ll be negotiating our re-entry to the EU.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 10:29:07

How are you sir???

Right if you want to vote tactically here is a list of the marginals in order

Best For Britain?️GetVoting.org
@BestForBritain
·
12h
In order of marginality:

1/ Dewsbury. Please, if you want to Remain, if you want to stop the wilful destruction of a Boris Johnson majority, please: vote
@paulasherriff
for LABOUR.

She needs 82 tactical votes. ~JL
9
436
620

2/ West Bromwich West.

Please, if you want to Remain, if you want to stop the wilful destruction of a Boris Johnson majority, there are 183 votes in this.

Vote LABOUR. ~JL
3
361
474

3/ Bedford and Kempston. There are just 193 votes here which will stop the seat going Conservative.

If you want to stop Brexit, stop Boris Johnson, vote LABOUR. ~JL
1
351
452

4/ Alyn and Deeside. Just 220 non-Labour Remainers can stop Boris Johnson here.

Please, vote tactically for LABOUR. ~JL
2
306
411

5/ Colne Valley. 256 voters here will help prevent a Tory majority and help keep us in the EU.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
3
316
408

6/ Barrow and Furness. This was held by a Labour MP in 2017. 256 non-Labour voters would deliver it for Labour once again. Nobody else can win it except the Conservatives.

Please, Lib Dems and Greens, you can do this. Please vote LABOUR. ~JL
5
349
438

7/ Bridgend.
@MadeleineMoon
has been a champion of Remain for well over a year. Just 260 non-Labour Remainers will let her keep the seat and fight for the referendum we need.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
5
343
437

8/ Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock.

This was a Tory gain from the SNP in 2017. Just 299 Labour and Lib Dem voters could help the SNP win the seat back and fight for Remain, and against the Tories, in parliament. Nobody else stands a chance here.

Please, vote SNP. ~JL
7
368
438

9/ Wolverhampton South West.

The Tories will take this seat off Labour unless 379 non-Labour voters help them keep it.

If you want to stop the Tories here, please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
1
319
383

10/ Bassetlaw.

Just 447 non-Labour voters can stop this seat falling to the Conservatives. Lib Dems, the only chance to Remain is by voting Labour in this seat.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
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Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 10:29:22

Short interval

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 10:33:28

Off we go again?

20/ Harrow East.

The Tory Brexiter Bob Blackman, who’s voted against gay rights and posted anti-Muslim material on Facebook, can be defeated with the help of just 1,407 Lib Dems.

Please, whatever you do, vote LABOUR. ~JL
3
207
284

21/ Ilford North.

There have been few stronger champions for Remain than
@wesstreeting
. But this seat will fall to Boris Johnson and the hardest Brexit unless 1,431 Lib Dems lend Wes their vote.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
6
195
265

22/ Putney.

The Lib Dems mounted a strong challenge here but have fallen too far behind to catch up. If 1,481 lend their votes to
@CllrFleur
, she will help stop Brexit and Johnson. If they don’t, the Remain vote will split and the Tories will win.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
2
204
286

23/ Telford.

Currently held by the right-wing Tory Brexiter Lucy Allan, 1,481 Lib Dems can stop Johnson and help us Remain if they lend their votes to Labour this time. Nobody else can defeat her.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
4
163
233

24/ Crewe and Nantwich.

The sitting Labour candidate here
@LauraSmithMP
has pledged to support a referendum. The Lib Dems cannot win, but if 1,550 of them lend their votes to Laura, they will get that referendum.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
2
165
244

25/ Canterbury.

The brilliant
@RosieDuffield1
took this seat from the Tories in 2017 and made it her own. Just 1,594 Lib Dems can help her keep it, help us Remain, help save the NHS. The Tories are the only alternative.

Please, please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
3
191
300

26/ Carshalton and Wallington.

The excellent
@thomasbrake
has been fighting for Remain and Remainers for three long years. Only he can defeat the Tories here. If 1,605 Labour supporters lend him their vote, they can stop the Tories too.

Please, vote LIB DEM. ~JL
2
196
268

27/ Pudsey.

Held by the Tory Brexiter Stuart Andrew, 1,615 Lib Dems and Greens will secure the chance to Remain - but only if they back the Labour candidate this time.

Please, vote LABOUR. ~JL
2
142
183

28/ Bury South.

This long-time Labour seat will fall to the Tories unless 1,737 Lib Dems, Greens and Women’s Equality voters hold their nose and vote Labour this time.

Please, if you want to Remain, if you want to stop Johnson, vote LABOUR. ~JL

Shelmiss Wed 11-Dec-19 13:31:30

I’m in one of the above constituencies. And I will be voting tactically. But not for Labour.

whywhywhy Wed 11-Dec-19 13:37:18

I still don't know who I want to vote for as they are all a load of S****! Fedup!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 14:02:15

Nearly there?

Findoutnow.co.uk
@FindoutnowUK
· 15h
TORY LEAD DOWN TO 2.5%

Con: 38.81%
Lab: 36.31%
Lib Dem: 9.44%
Brexit: 4.43%
SNP: 3.44%
Green: 2.56%

Chestnut Wed 11-Dec-19 14:06:13

Are you employed full time by the Labour Party Whitewavemark2?
You must be on here all day every day.
I think most people have switched you off some time ago to be honest.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Dec-19 14:20:20

Are there any decent conservative voters on GN?

Peter Oborne
@OborneTweets

I write today in Open Democracy that decent, middle-of-the-road Conservatives have no choice but to oppose Boris Johnson's unremitting war on everything the party has fought to save and protect over the last 200 years:

SirChenjin Wed 11-Dec-19 14:43:05

I think most Tory voters probably have Chestnut - the rest of us certainly haven’t.

lemongrove Wed 11-Dec-19 15:14:46

That’s his view WWM2 ( very likely an arch Remainer.)
Decent middle of the road Conservatives have no choice but to oppose Corbyn.

SirChenjin Wed 11-Dec-19 15:19:24

Hopefully these decent middle of the roaders will do the right thing by voting for anyone else but the Tories to send a clear message to BJ/Cummings/Mogg/Gove and all the other extreme right wing low lifes that their style of Conservatism isn’t welcome here.

Nandalot Wed 11-Dec-19 15:29:19

The future of Boris get is? More articles like this?
www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/10/number-of-europes-poorest-regions-in-uk-more-than-doubles?fbclid=IwAR3_tWulQbAcPZQ1q-fUFvIDptr7CM3DPCqmGjXUkdQmgAb87xKOH5Db6dc

Yehbutnobut Thu 12-Dec-19 08:12:39

Well said SirChenjin

jo1book Thu 12-Dec-19 09:25:48

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really ?‍♂

CoolioC Thu 12-Dec-19 09:39:38

LOL Jolbrook, so tactical voters vote for the above and more of.

And, they say, Brexiteers have no brains.

lemongrove Thu 12-Dec-19 09:42:33

??Spot on jo1book a real dilemma..tchgrin

jura2 Thu 12-Dec-19 09:45:50

Brains - brainwashed.

CoolioC Thu 12-Dec-19 09:47:09

Maizie D and all others who put down the UK as not being great.

Live in another country, before you criticise. There is a lot wrong with the UK, but there is also a lot right with it too.

CoolioC Thu 12-Dec-19 09:50:38

No, Jura 2 who knows what the future will bring? Remainers and leavers can listen to arguments from both sides that’s the great thing about democracy, we are allowed to listen.

Brainwashing, no, sorry a derogatory term.