The future if Boris gets in

Imagine living in a country where the government of the last 10 years crushed the welfare system, increased the homeless, closed libraries, police stations, A and Es , vastly increased the national debt, charged nurses to train, got rid of youth and child services, wasted billions on vanity projects and buying votes from terrorist sympathisers, oversaw an increase in crime and prison numbers whilst getting rid of experienced prison and probation officers, and yet people ignored all that and just criticised the leader of the opposition.

but this is exactly what the right wing press has been doing, day after day...

Apparently there are now more food banks than MacDonalds.

The lunatics have been running the asylum. This has been the worst election campaign ever, just lies and more lies. Even Peter Oborne can't vote Tory this time:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/11/boris-johnson-destroy-britain-conservative-revolutionary-sect

A lot of desperate Reds out there!

no jol- I have never been a Red, and never will be. You just don't get it or just don't want to get it.

What Peter Oborne says reflects the views of many of our good, intelligent, caring Conservative friends- who are ashamed of being represented by Johnson and the ERG and their pack of lies.

Coolioc posts " in another country, before you criticise. There is a lot wrong with the UK, but there is also a lot right with it too."

Yes of course we know there are third world countries and war zones which are worse that the UK, but check this out:-

"New research based on data from the European Union shows that the UK's poorest regions have fallen further behind the rest of Europe over the past decade.

The results show that the UK’s poorest regions are poorer than anywhere in France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden or Finland. The relative performance of the UK’s poorest regions has also worsened over time.

The High Pay Centre's analysis of the EU data found that the number of UK regions with GDP per capita below 75 per cent of the EU average increased from three in 2008 to seven in 2017 (the most recent figures).

The seven regions – Southern Scotland; West Wales and the Valleys; Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly; Lincolnshire; Tees Valley and Durham; South Yorkshire; and Outer London – East and North East – are all poorer than anywhere else in North West Europe.

The number of regions below 90 per cent of the EU average has also risen from 18 to 23 since 2008. The EU uses the 75 per cent and 90 per cent thresholds for allocating funding to poorer regions, meaning that the UK could be eligible for increased funding if it remained in the EU.

The High Pay Centre's report concludes: "We have seen during the EU referendum campaign, the claim that UK was ‘shackled to a corpse’ as a result of EU membership. Yet this sense of superiority seems wildly misplaced. Large swathes of the UK can only dream of achieving the levels of economic activity and living standards of even the poorest parts of supposedly similar EU countries."

www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/29148

So it is hardly surprising that many of our brightest and best have already left the UK or, like half my family, will join the brexit brain drain to live in one of these other EU countries if brexit is not stopped.

It is the brexit sup;porters who are so unpatriotic that they don't care how much they damage they do to the UK as long as they can say "we won".

However useful and honest such information may be it will, unfortunately, be written off as left-wing rubbish and fake news by those who are too blinkered and brainwashed to see the truth.

France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden and Finland are all in the EU and, like us, have had to weather the global financial crisis since 2008.

So why has the UK done so badly compared to these countries?

How could re-electing the same party that has been responsible for the mess we're in, and want to take us out of the EU, ever make things any better?

jolbrook I do wonder what people who post things like you do imagine would have happened if entrenched attitudes like yours had been allowed to dominate our thinking. We would presumably still be suffering bombing and terrorism in N. Ireland (which if we exit the EU may return anyway). Acheiving peace means talking to everyone. Of course if you prefer to see people killed and murdered just so you don't have to talk to anyone whose views oppose yours then I suppose all of your posts about Corbyn may be regarded as negative. As it is what we see is a man who has always realised that peace and defeating terrorism can only be acheived through negotiation and not through more and more legislation. Interestingly as well during the Stop the War campaign he repeatedly warned that a war on Iraq would bring terrorism to our streets. Now there's something, a politician who looks at the consequences of a government's actions. Wouldn't that be good to see in power.
Then raise the scarlet standard high
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

Good post Trisher

Well said trisher

It was a Red who was instrumental in brokering the Good Friday agreement, iirc. Thank god for people like her who swallow the unpalatable in order to achieve the impossible.

when I joined GN, back in March I think, it was in response to a comment posted on a Guardian thread about the EU. The poster said they'd been on GN and had to leave when someone requested that posters should try to be nice to one another.

That comment intrigued me and so I joined up. At first the comments seemed to mirror the ideas of the older people who voted for Brexit. The majority of the posts that I have since read seem to come from people who have a similar view on politics as my own. I have gained information from some posts and I'd like to thank you.

Varian'spost about the UK's poorest regions is a good example and I wish that we had known about it sooner. Not that it would have made much difference I suspect.

Peter Oborne used to be the political editor of The Telegraph and has worked for the Daily Mail and Spectator. He voted to leave the EU and has been described as a "strong Brexiter", so hardly an "arch Remainer", as the spiteful sneer of a poster on here claims.

He changed his mind when he saw the effects Brexit would have on Ireland, but still identifies as a Conservative. He's advocating voting Labour because he thinks Johnson and Brexit are dangerous for the country.

Ah Dinahmo- nice to know a GN poster elsewhere encouraged you to join

The lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson and his government …

boris-johnson-lies.com/

Sorry for the link rather than a list - there's just too much of it for a quick summary.

jolbrook Johnson is a bit more than "a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh". He's a thoroughly nasty piece of a work, who knows how to use his image to cover up his lies.

If you want to know more about Boris Johnson, read what his former boss, former editor of The Telegraph, right-winger Max Hastings wrote -"I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister"

He concludes with a warning-

"We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.

If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Good post crystaltips ???

varian
We meet again, I have just read your post 12/12 19.00 hours.

Maybe, because the UK has such poor regions, we should not have contributed so much? We are the second highest contributor in the EU. Poland are the highest takers. Maybe, we should have asked to contribute and taken more than we paid in similar to other countries. If the EU knew our people in different parts of the country were living as they do, surely they should have asked us to pay less? You found this out I would expect quite easily, why didn’t they? Don’t they care? Do they only care about their coffers? Do they know people in the UK have food banks to live on and still expect us to contribute so much.

It actually doesn’t make sense to me.

CoolioC Some of the poorest regions of the UK were (are?) some of the biggest recipients of EU grants. That money will leave big holes in regional budgets. Time will tell whether the conservative government will make up the shortfall. So far, I have seen absolutely no commitment that they will.

The EU did offer additional help, but the government refused it. In many ways, the EU was more aware and ready to help with regional deprivation than the UK government has been for the last ten years. Indirectly, it redistributed money from the rich in the UK to the poorest, which could be one reason why some of the most wealthy dislike the EU.

For the sake of balance (and fair play) to varian’s post about what Boris’ former boss had said about him..... try this.

Written today in the Saturday Telegraph by Charles Moore:

“All this could not have happened without Boris. When I was his editor on this paper, he often drove me to distraction with his lateness and unreliability.

But I also formed the view that he is one of the very few people I have ever met who can be described as a genius. For all his defects and peccadilloes, Boris is the man.”

Johnson is far cleverer than he wants you to know; hence the clowning. But then, fool that I am, he makes me laugh No way would I vote for a ageing Worzel Gummidge or Miss Prim.

Bashing Boris seems to be the latest pastime of the Labour/Lib Dem posters who kept ramming their policies and their views down our throats until Thursday. All pretty pointless seeing he has won, but I suppose it makes them feel better.

In my opinion Johnson plays the buffoon because that's what he is. He has had the best education that money can buy and some people think that this brings some sort of credibility. He is what appears to be, he's not a genius in disguise. That's why his party kept him under wraps for as much as possible.