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How long will Boris last?

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trisher Tue 17-Dec-19 21:04:35

As a bit of amusement I was trying to work ut how long Boris will stick at the job of PM. He's not big on commitment. I think he'll want to go down in history as the man who did Brexit, but I don't think he'll wnt to stick around afterwards. I think he'll be getting himself bounced up to the H of Lords once it's done. Anyone else want to guess at how long he'll last?

inkcog Wed 18-Dec-19 10:32:18

So BJ and Churchill are both quite large and both Conservatives.......anything else?

Annecan Wed 18-Dec-19 10:33:15

A weak opposition which cannot face the reality of just how much they have let their core voters down, and who even now continually blame others for losing
Wake up
Voters are not stupid, racist, unable to see through lies.
Good news though, it means they have cooked their goose for the foreseeable future ,
I cringe when I think that lot could have been in power.

Bobdoesit Wed 18-Dec-19 10:34:22

How right you are lemongrove.

trisher Wed 18-Dec-19 10:34:34

What's that got to do with how long Boris will last?

sandelf Wed 18-Dec-19 10:46:04

I was one who thought he was what they all say. But now he actually seems to be taking it seriously (first time in his life). So, willing to be shown wrong - perhaps he will be a brilliant one nation PM (God know we need one). Labour have completely forgotten their roots in UK (ie the methodist tradition etc). Will be at least 2 periods out of power.

freyja Wed 18-Dec-19 10:47:06

Boris' idea all along was to leave the EU without a deal, which he has been promoting for the last three years. Boris has no intention of wasting time negotiating with the EU, he has to 'get Brexit done' and to hell with the consequences to the country. He has got rid of anyone who stood against him and made all Tory MPs sign a pledge not to oppose his 'deal' and promised the earth to anyone who were not sure. So we are heading out, 'no ifs, no buts or maybes' we are going. Sadly those that believed Boris will feel the pain the most.

As for how long he remains is a good question. Boris is only interested in Boris and once his disastrous policy takes hold he will be held to account. So he will only stay in power whilst his popularity is high. When people realise that his promises were false and nothing but lies he will blame everyone else. He will leave the mess for someone else to clear up, just like he did when he was Major of London; which he left because he had bigger fish to catch, the PMs job. So when it falls through Boris will hide in the House of Lords, amongst the other Tory MPs who have joined this week.

BusterTank Wed 18-Dec-19 10:51:20

Until the next general election or longer if he delivers what the people want .

Oldwoman70 Wed 18-Dec-19 10:54:34

I think the sign of a good leader is one who does delegate - wanting to bring in the best people for the job. A leader who doesn't delegate is one who is insecure and can lead to a dictatorship

SirChenjin Wed 18-Dec-19 10:54:59

freyja - well said. I fear that the old adage ‘be careful what you wish for’ will prove to be true for many who voted for him sad

frenchie Wed 18-Dec-19 10:55:04

This is a genuine question
Can someone explain to me the following:
I was watching the BBC news and they had a piece on Burnley, a very depressed town up North. They interviewed 2 men on zero hour contracts, living in a bedsit. They had voted conservative hoping for a change. I cannot comprehend why.
As a fervent and rowdy remainer and a livelong labour supporter it is beyond me ? What is Boris going to to do to make their life better? And how will being out of Europe help their lives?

cathieb Wed 18-Dec-19 10:55:48

Boris does not have a good reputation as LM if L for attention to detail, honesty and dealing with the day-to-day grind. He delegated as much as he could, took the credit and kicked out opponents. What a ridiculous situation we’re in now! Brexit should never have been a party political issue, both parties were split and MPs were trying to please their divided constituents. It could have been put in the hands of a cross party committee with economic expertise to negotiate. In a way Corbyn was right as the leader of his party to try not to take a ‘side’ as it had become by then. More honest than kicking out those that didn’t toe the line - Tory style. It has turned into an ego trip and Boris’s shouty bravado Brexit will not solve any of the UK’s real problems

SirChenjin Wed 18-Dec-19 10:57:05

It’s beyond all of us who didn’t vote for him frenchie - but those who have nothing to lose, have nothing to lose.

Theoddbird Wed 18-Dec-19 10:59:47

He did brilliantly as mayor of London. He will last. He will do well I am sure of that.

ReadyMeals Wed 18-Dec-19 11:08:50

CathieB, not only should brexit not have been a party political issue, I say there should not even have been a campaign! The moment it turned into a campaign, the people leading the sides treated it as a competition and wanted to win. Winning became more important than informing the public. In fact what should have happened is that civil servants overseen by a crossparty committee should have prepared a fact list of what the EU currently takes and gives back, what types of rules they can impose and which ones we are free to veto or ignore, and possible outcomes and routes the UK could take after leaving. Then ask people to read it before voting and ask those who don't want to read it to consider not voting. Sometimes less turnout is more, if people don't understand the issues.

cathieb Wed 18-Dec-19 11:17:11

ReadyMeals ^^ Spot on! Regrettable though the whole thing was, once the referendum had happened a withdrawal plan should just have been systematically got on with in a non-confrontational and business-like way. Then we wouldn’t have had all this angry and unhappy nonsense about democracy and the will of the people.

Annaram1 Wed 18-Dec-19 11:24:02

He will grow into the job. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

trisher Wed 18-Dec-19 11:24:51

How long's an hour though?

endlessstrife Wed 18-Dec-19 11:25:16

frenchie the U.K. has gradually been losing its industrial base which provided jobs and wealth creation outside the major cities, such as in Burnley, for the last 20 years. Other countries in the EU faired better, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. We were not being cared for by the EU. Brexit, hopefully, will give us fresh opportunities. It may fail, but we need to try these things, and do something now.

4allweknow Wed 18-Dec-19 11:41:48

He does seem determined to achieve what the Electorate voted for ie leave the EU. Apparently there were no options on the ballot paper to choose which parts of the membership should be lost and retained. It was leave or not! Once BJ has done what was voted for he will be off with his pension like the rest of them.

Aepgirl Wed 18-Dec-19 11:49:41

Boris Johnson’s ambition has always been to be PM, so why would he not stay? I think he is really good news for our country.

trisher Wed 18-Dec-19 11:49:44

endlessstrife the North actually got more funding from the EU than from Westminster. We have yet to know what will replace that.

justrolljanet Wed 18-Dec-19 11:54:41

Too long.

Greta Wed 18-Dec-19 11:56:44

I don't think people as a rule are very patient. If the government does not deliver real change quickly to all the northern, former Labour voters who 'lent' him his vote I believe their trust in Boris Johnson will soon turn to anger. More promises will not suffice, they will need to feel and see that their lives are improving.

SirChenjin Wed 18-Dec-19 11:59:34

Exactly trisher It really worries me when people say things like the North hasn’t done well as a result of the EU. The structural funding it receives is to be replaced by the shared prosperity fund iirc but of course, no details about how this will work from the Govt or how it will allocate the funds

endlessstrife Wed 18-Dec-19 12:06:16

trisher, yes maybe, but obviously not enough. I don’t know if I was right to vote ‘leave’. It may have been the worst decision ever. But I don’t like being governed by outsiders. It doesn’t make sense, and it doesn’t seem to be working. I can only go by my feelings, I have no real knowledge of politics, other than NONE of them can really be trusted! I was always a Liberal voter, by elimination. I only voted Conservative to get Boris, as we didn’t have the Brexit party option. I’m sure that’s what these guys in Burnley did too. I don’t like seeing all this animosity. None of us know for sure what will happen, but I do think, of those who voted, it was with the best of intentions.