INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Indeed -

I'd rather go with the Independent's description of the event than the DM's, for sure.

'Parliament Square was a knucle-dragging carnival of irredeemable stupidity' - sums it up perfectly.

Couple of glasses of our best Scottish malt in solidarity- then bed. For the metamorphosis to happen - turning from a Remainer into a Rejoiner- there are 10s of 1000s of us- and there will be many more when it all falls to pieces and Johnson, Farage and ERG will be seen for what they are- liars and fraudsters.

Was he talking about food rotting in the fields sarahellenwhitney? That is a genuine concern as farmers have already struggled to recruit labour to pick fruit this year (they rely on cheap migrant labour from Eastern Europe which with the crashing pound has upped and left to go to Germany where they earn more, presumably they’ll be gone further).

Talking to local farmers they are genuinely worried about how food will get picked as their feeling is the locals will not do it. Maybe we’ll get an influx of young strapping Australians on gap years. If the farmers are right and recruitment does turn out to be the issue they fear then I suspect it will lead to increased mechanisation of farming.

Will watch with interest.

I'm not sure "where will our fruit and vegetables come from?" counts as someone saying "the end of the world is nigh" Sarahellenwhitney That seems quite an extreme view for you to take.

On the other hand, if the young man was on a very low income and can see the price of such things going out of his reach, he may feel the end of his world as he knows it is nigh.

GracesGranMK3 sadly I don't think the word "reflect" is in Chestnut's vocabulary. Just going on being rude and nasty about those who don't share her views certainly seems to be though.
Unbelievable. You have been exceptionally rude and nasty towards people who don't share your views. ?
I simply pointed out that these are the people who came out to celebrate, what is rude and nasty about that? Nezumi65 was imo attempting to be derogatory in calling them 'old and white'. Had someone used the term 'old and black' in another context then you would be the first person to jump on them for being racist. ?

Have a look at the photo you posted Chestnut. It was all old white people. I have looked at a lot of media about last night and 99% of the crowd was white and the majority were old. You cannot call that racism. It’s demographics.

I wonder why people of colour did not go out and party in the same numbers as old white people?

Actually 99% is incorrect 99.9% more like it.

Exactly Chestnut ??
If GGM3 thinks it is a ‘nasty thread* then her various nasty posts to others on here have helped make it so.

Nezumi you do seem obsessed by ‘old white people’.......sounds a bit racist to me.

Would you complain about ‘old black people’ in the same way I wonder.?

The petty sour grapes expressed by some posters about last night was expected though.

Thank you lemongrove

Nezumi65
Maybe the reason why there were so many white people in the photos is because at the last census 80% of residents in this country are white.

Demographics of Brexit voters. The photos are unsurprising www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

From GGMK3 those who wanted to leave the EU are childish and nasty

And then from GGMK3 again How about looking at the facts instead of characterising whole swaths of people

Talk about contradictory! Complete and utter b******t yet again, but hey, the rest of us are used to it. Quite laughable really.

But 44% of Londoners are now black or ethnic. However, London voted remain so I expect a lot of these people travelled from other areas. They happen to be white, reflecting the overall 80% of white people in the country.

Do you REALLY believe that MerylStreep? Even if you do that crowd is not 80% white. It is far higher.

From the article above:

We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction

Posted too early ... for both posts

Oh Nezumi you really are scraping the barrel now......
Totally expected though.
However, petty or vindictive some Remainer posts become,
Those of us who are very happy with the outcome just don’t care about it.We are now out of the EU and can move on.
I look forward with optimism to the future ( particularly now that the Corbyn threat has been removed.) ?

*Nezumi658 - that is the image that remainers love to promote, but I can assure you there are plenty of educated people with vision who voted leave. People who can see their country is able to stand on its own feet. You could also say that those who voted remain are self-centred and more concerned about their own situation than the future of their country.
You could say a lot of things........

lemongrove as we only ever see you when you can heap coals on an already difficult situation why would anyone care what you say.

Very early on in this thread, GN would not intervene when personal comments were being made. So that's alright then.

How did the EU reduce your job security? If that is your criteria (& I think I it’s a fair enough one - just struggling to work out why ), then you’ll understand why me having to shut my business due to Brexit makes me less than enthusiastic about leaving.

Where did I say I did not understand your problems? In fact I remember saying clearly I had every empathy for you.

I have spent most of my working life ( and some of my childhood) under the EU. None of it has been good. Much of it has been dominated by EU policies ( not austerity or British governmental policy) .

Where I live we have never done well out of EU grants - what grants were given went to vanity projects including universities and similar monet lecturers etc.

Many of us have felt the impact of large numbers of workers looking for a small number of jobs. Even those with good skills and education . Most of us have experienced the loss of at least one job as a result of businesses closing down in our area. I lost three jobs. all were a result of EU grnats taking the work away from us and moving the businesses to other EU countries - Poland was a favourite in the 1990's.

My husband lost a job as a direct result of EU policies too.
Getting work when there are many looking for work and taking jobs. I found agency work in a food factory where I was the only person who spoke English.

The agency was run by EU people and the workers were mostly EU and arabic nationals. It was cold, long hours and loney. I also had to put up with harassment , but I did it because that was what was available.

Then my husband found work, he was fortunate and things eased. Then he retired ( he is older than me) and took his work pension. It gave us some stability.

I found my current job. But this has been up and down because of EU issues. I work in an international workplace environment now and we have a number of contracts outside the EU. When we were fighting for EU only contracts we didnt do well. In 2010 I was told I might not have a job. It was touch and go again as the EU were preventing our expansion with cartel practices. After 2016 we looked for work globally and foun d it but three years of uncertainty has been hard going. The firm has made headway and we have employed more people. Now we are going to go full steam..... it will see me through to retirement and for younger ones I hope beyond.

I have been fairly lucky. I know others who have fared far worse. I will not go into full detail because this is an open forum. I will not put my private life across these pages.

Not everyone did well for the last 47 years.

I’m not scraping the barrel - I am quoting from a a peer reviewed journal article on the demographics of the Brexit vote.

Read it - it’s open access and linked to above.

Nezumi65 ....yep that's me to a tee! With the exception of low life satisfaction
How annoying it must be for you.
All these plebs out there, stopping the real intelligentsia getting their own way.
BTW can you give me some lessons on how to use my smartphone, seeing as you know what's good for me?

Toodleloo, off to get my hard earned benefits.