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INDEPENDENCE DAY!

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Lyndiloo Thu 30-Jan-20 04:35:37

Hurrah! We're getting OUT at last!

But it seems strange to me that there is so little talk/news on the media about this. Before the General Election everything was about Brexit. To the point that even I got sick to death of it! But it's all gone quiet since then. Are there to be no celebrations from all those who voted to leave? (Sad that Big Ben won't even mark this historic event.)

(I was talking to a young woman the other day, and she didn't even know that we were leaving the EU on Friday!)

I can't really celebate in style, as most of my family wanted to remain -otherwise I would have had a party! So it will be a bit of a damp squib for me!

I shall still open a bottle of champers and toast this great country of ours - our democracy, our integrity - and now, at last, our freedom from a corrupt and self-serving feudalistic state.

Hetty58 Fri 31-Jan-20 09:50:43

Good point, Aprilrose. So many things conveniently explained by Brexit. So many catastrophic predictions from the doom and gloom brigade.

The remainers still say that they're remainers - even though the decision has been made. So many people dislike change - yet it's the only certain thing.

Greymar Fri 31-Jan-20 09:57:20

As I said previously, I just don't care any more.

ananimous Fri 31-Jan-20 10:12:35

Happy Indepen(dance) day! grin

The sky never fell in...

growstuff Fri 31-Jan-20 10:17:38

Hetty I've never liked the "Leaver" and "Remainer" labels anyway. I voted to remain in the EU and, should a last minute rethink miraculously emerge, I would vote the same way again. That doesn't make me a "Remainer". It makes me a person who thinks the country has made the wrong decision and nothing has yet persuaded me otherwise.

I'm really quite bemused that those who voted to leave seem to be such sore losers. Have your little parties, if it makes you happy. It really doesn't bother me in the slightest. Nothing will be any different tomorrow morning.

The next year will be interesting. I hope people didn't really think they'd heard the last of Brexit.

growstuff Fri 31-Jan-20 10:19:00

PS. I've never been a fan of children's parties, so I shall be doing the same as I do every Friday evening.

lemongrove Fri 31-Jan-20 10:24:17

It’s not the leavers who are sore losers growstuff ......it’s posters such as you!

Greta8 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:24:20

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Yawn. Does anyone seriously think their life is going to massively improve? Plenty of possibility of the exact opposite. Taking back control - ha, ha!!!

Nezumi65 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:24:53

aprilrose I run a small very niche (academic services) business with about 50% of my business now coming from abroad. Brexit has already had an impact on grant funding which means I rarely get asked to provide quotes for large funding requests anymore. My clients still use me, but for small pieces of work, so people who used to ask me to do thousands of pounds worth of work now only have the funds for hundreds. I am the only person doing what I do in the world, so it’s not competition, it is a loss of research funding. The other impact is that over the last few years the percentage of my (now smaller) business that is being carried out abroad has increased rapidly.

The amount of paperwork that will now be needed to carry on 50% of my depleted business from next January has made me decide it’s not worth it. I’l shut up shop sometime this year. It’s served me well for 15 years or so but time to go and do something else. Not in academia - it is being badly hit by Brexit.

I suspect the slow loss of funding will be the impact of Brexit. We’ll become a poorer more inward looking nation.

lemongrove Fri 31-Jan-20 10:27:36

Fortunately, most people in this country want to get on with life and not waste their time in bitterness.

growstuff Fri 31-Jan-20 10:28:17

Really lemongrove? hmm I'm used to your gratuitous insults, but maybe you'd care to expand in what way I'm a "sore loser".

growstuff Fri 31-Jan-20 10:30:13

Fortunately most people in this country have better things to to do than be deliberately sneering and nasty. Do have a wonderful day lemongrove!

lemongrove Fri 31-Jan-20 10:30:15

We will become a country that does the best for the UK, it won’t be poorer for doing that, that’s for sure.

lemongrove Fri 31-Jan-20 10:31:53

Oh the irony growstuff ?
After your post about ‘children’s parties’ tonight!

You have a good day too.??

Grandma70s Fri 31-Jan-20 10:42:04

It’s a sad day for the country, but cheer yourselves up with the thought that it’s also, apparently, National Hot Chocolate Day.

Nezumi65 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:45:02

Chlorinated chicken, being a vassal of the US, binning the Human Rights Act, disrupted medicines supply, increased mechanisation of farms (vs crops left unpicked), families split up, economic downturn, loss of freedom of movement.

Unless you get a particularly big thrill from blue passports it doesn’t look that much like we’re going to be doing the best for the UK.

Nezumi65 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:46:41

Thank you grandma70s - that sounds the perfect antidote - you have given me the excuse I need to wallow in chocolate gringrin

trisher Fri 31-Jan-20 10:47:07

You know those holding parties tonight could silence all us Remainers if they could post at least a short list of all the benefits that will swing into action tomorrow and in the next 11 months. They can't because there aren't any.
So forgive me if I'm not celebrating leaving an organisation that has brought into my life many benefits and people from all over Europe who have cared for my ill relatives and provided services and opportunities.

lostinfrance Fri 31-Jan-20 10:47:48

There will be no celebrating here.

We've already have huge family fall outs over this.

My generation of the family (in our 40s and 50s) voted to remain. The older ones to leave.

So our teenager and early 20s children now get limited options in their future careers. They won't be able to study, work and live in other European countries quite as easily as they could have.

It's all been a big bloody mess - sensationalised by the tabloid newspapers which some read as gospel. Why vote for the unknown?

Ugh.

lemongrove Fri 31-Jan-20 10:50:29

Woe, woe and thrice woe!
All Cassandras out there may well be pleasantly surprised in a few years time.

Nezumi65 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:56:49

You know those holding parties tonight could silence all us Remainers if they could post at least a short list of all the benefits that will swing into action tomorrow and in the next 11 months. They can't because there aren't any

YES! I have been asking for this list as well.

trisher Fri 31-Jan-20 10:57:35

How "lemon grove"? Come on post a few things that will improve when we are out.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 31-Jan-20 11:13:31

NO optimism on this thread.? Only doom and gloom!

So optimism is only defined as those celebrating leave Gingster. What a strange definition.

Chestnut Fri 31-Jan-20 11:14:48

trisher: ......a short list of all the benefits that will swing into action tomorrow and in the next 11 months.
You have just demonstrated your inability to see beyond the end of your nose.
There will be no benefits this year because we will not have fully left. Even then, it will take time for the dust to settle and for things to change. These are long term strategies which will benefit the country into the future.

This is clearly the problem that remainers have, they cannot see long term at all, they can only visualise short term. This proves that leavers are people with vision while remainers are not.

trisher Fri 31-Jan-20 11:17:28

Come on then Chestnut post a few of these benefits. Long term, short term, any term, any benefit. Just saying there will be lots doesn't mean a thing.

ananimous Fri 31-Jan-20 11:19:50

I don't think it's a (real) business that's gone bust if it has been "Funded" - Just capitalism in practise, sadly for the business model.
Some people are just not good in business - nothing to do with Brexit.