Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Look all these deported criminals had served fairly lengthy prison sentences, so they would all have committed serious crimes.

We all know how few law breakers receive custodial sentences these days.

How many pictures have we seen of smirking criminals leaving court having been given a risible community service ‘punishment’ ?

Can I ask those condemning the deportations - would they feel the same if it was their daughter raped, their son beaten up, their parents or grandparents burgled and robbed?

Or if their husband who had lived here since he was a young child and had served time for one offence committed when he has a teenager but had since been rehabilitated and was a good man, contributing positively to our society, was being separated from his children for ever and being sent to a country where he had no contacts?

The thing that I do not understand is that to have got married and registered his children he would have had to shown official ID.

Our newborn GC has just been registered and both parents had to take their passports to show to the registrar.

By the way, I don't condemn the deportations. I am concerned by some of the rhetoric and that people are being lumped together.

varian you haven't answered my question - would you still be condemning the deportations.

JenniferEccles all of these men. have not served long prison sentences, although the government has claimed this. It simply isn't true. Just google 'men deported to Jamaica' and newspaper reports about many different men will come up. One has been here for 41 years, served a prison sentence took part in restorative justice, was rehabilitated and is still being deported. Another served 2 months. Many of the crimes are historic and the men have been living honest family lives for years. Even if you think it is right and just that criminals should be deported the way this is being done, and the lies the government is telling should concern you, because if they are successful in selling this action to the public they will already have other actions planned.

Trisher and your post of Friday 18.47.

Trisher I am not disagreeing with you but I am asking what full and complete information have you got with solid proof
that the person who has been here for 41 years who served a prison sentence took part in restorative justice, was rehabilitated and is still being deported.
Is that person a foreign national? perhaps Jamaican. If they have been here for 41 years then that certainly gives them enough time to sort out there U.K. status. It is a fact of law set in stone that foreign nationals have to have applied and succeeded in getting Right To Remain/Right of Stay this all being done through Home Office and the courts. It is not a lie to fob people off it is the law of the U.K.

The laws for Jamaicans to come into the U.K. all changed some years ago because at that time "Gangs of Yardies" who could legally enter the U.K were coming here and setting up
huge amounts of drug smuggling violence etc, (do you remember all that) so all the laws about the Jamaican people having complete freedom to come here changed. In fact the Jamaican Yardies are the ones that have themselves to thank
for losing all free movement of the people in and out of Jamaica so I will not be up in arms saying all this deportation must stop as some of the problems have been brought upon themselves. A good friend of mine had a daughter who became pregnant to one of the Yardies and he was in prison in U.K. and he kicked up a fuss that he should be allowed to stay in the U.K. as his girlfriend had given birth to his daughter, he stayed for awhile and started dealing drugs again so he was deported, nobody is allowed to do just want they want in the U.K. and not pay the price for breaking the law.

It is wrong to conflate the Windrush situation that of convicted criminals. The windrush generation had not commited and been sentensed to time in prison.

Boris has my full support in deporting foreign born people who commit crimes, are convicted and serve prison sentenses in UK. I don't care about race or colour just the criminal conviction.

I also hope they don't let back any terrorist who went to join Isis, whether it be Shamima Begum of Bangladesh origin or J'hadi John who is white and has duel nationality.

I wish we could have referendum on corporal punisment for convicted murderers and terrorist, I really do.

No point trying to be caring and rational on here Greymar. There are a few Gransnet members with a social conscience but they are few and far between.

3nanny6 www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-being-sent-jamaica-after-13949655
It is unlikely that a high level persistent criminal would have been allowed to run music lessons for young people.

Greymar should a violent psychopath have ever been released anyway?

I agree, some cases should be looked at more closely.

It wasn't just one theft of a car, however, and it was extremely dangerous driving which might well have resulted in deaths. One has to question whether police chases make the dangerous drivers even more reckless.
I think that young man should have had his case investigated more closely as do others (not the ones we are discussing) who have committed no crime at all.
He was not in the latest batch of deportees btw.

OK, thanks for that reasoned information.

A young boy was trafficked here from Albania age 15. He was taken into foster care, is doing well, attending 6th form college but will be deported when he is 18.

There is a petition to try to prevent young trafficked people being deported when they reach 18.
They have committed no crimes.

Correction: he is 18 and there is a legal challenge so is still here for the time being.
He wants to train to be a carpenter.
We need skilled tradesmen.

Trisher : I have said that I do not disagree with what you are talking about.
I also understand that the man you pointed out has also given music lessons. As far as I know he has not yet been repatriated/deported so with the right legal help he may have his case looked at again.
I will say again Trisher "do not shoot the messenger"
What comments have you got to make on the rest of my post? What about the Yardies of the late 80's that indeed were part of the reason the new immigration laws were brought in. Do you think it was a good thing for the U.K. police officer to be killed by the London Yardie gang?

At the beginning of this thread I put in a post about 2 friends of mine that were deported back to Jamaica for no other reason than they were overstayers they had done no crimes and they were given no chances just taken to immigration holding centres and then boarded onto a charter flight. Did I agree with that ? the answer is No the only thing is that is British law so hopefully you can be the one to change it.

Callistemon ; that is a sad but such a good post and the young boy should be allowed to remain in U.K.

Lets hope the petition can help his case.

Newnanny ; that is excellent post. I do agree with all your post.

I myself cannot bring myself to agree about corporal punishment though as that is the final step and even though convicted murderers have done that somehow it makes us also go back to being so uncivilised. Also I do not agree we
should go back to hanging as sometimes the legal system makes mistakes and the wrong person is hung.

I always remember hearing about "Christie" the man who murdered many woman before he was caught. It was a complete miscarriage of justice for Timothy Evans to be hung for the murder of his wife and young child when in fact Christie had done it. The truth eventually came out sadly to late for Evans who went to the gallows protesting his innocence.

Each case is different and should be carefully reviewed.

I would not sat that deportation should never happen in any circumstances, but there should not be a knee jerk move to mass deportations to appease the tabloids.

Trisherr let's beatify all these jamaican criminals that you hold in such high regard. I fail to understand your assiduous downcrying of the UK, while recognising no conventions of border, nationality and now failing to accept UK law, even when sponsored by our gracious opposition. I have a possible solution... you could join your comrades on the repatriation planes, thus reducing the criminality ratio and at the same time ameliorating jamaican diversity, a phenomenon we must always strive for!!!!

IAE, if you're going for formal and intimidating, try ensuring you capitalise proper nouns and correctly demarcate your sentences.

Oh, and use the ellipsis correctly.

Gagajo
I was just wondering how Iae could state I would "ameliorate Jamaican diversity" not knowing what my ethnic origins are (and quite possibly what ameliorate means).
Still I suppose it's an "E" for. effort.

Impartial, an ill informed and rude post.

I was being over generous trisher. I had it down as D-. Or in 2020 GCSE speak, 3/9