Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

I was an older parent and a professional person in a stable marriage. I made loads of mistakes. My son got into trouble. It was exhausting. He hasn't got a record but was very close.

I think we can all agree that some parenting will inevitably lead to a dangerous, selfish, risk taking nature in adulthood.

Whether or not every country should abolish citizenship will have to run on and on...

It is, however, surprisingly easy to raise children to adulthood fully respectful of the law of the land - regardless of the threat of prison/deportation.

There is a great deal of research to show that the unfused adolescent brain is primed for dangerous, selfish, risk taking.

It is too damn easy to sit there and condemn this young man and his family.

I think it's all too easy to relinquish responsibility.

There are plenty of excuses and zero accountability.

How do these law abiding children appear, one wonders?

Good parenting is something to aspire to and poor upbringing cannot be the stock excuse for those wishing to be reckless around law abiding folk.

I do not condemn anyone for being the result of failed parenting, but seek only to agree that there has to be a limit to rule breaking from any and all visitors.

I think that many young people are the product of poor parenting, children will be left with parents that themselves have their own challenging behaviours such as alcoholism or drug taking these children can be left fending for themselves to survive. These parents relinquish all responsibility simply because they do not have the right frame of mind to cope with it.

Many of these children go on to become socially inadequate
to live within the society that most of us adhere to.
There are many cases of A.D.H.D in these adolescent children and not all of them are diagnosed, many of the symptoms of A.D.H.D. are risk taking, courting dangerous escapades, unaware of putting themselves in danger and many more.
The prison population of young offenders has many cases of mental health issues amongst inmates and that is nowhere to send an adolescent in need of specialist mental health care.

3nanny6

Which is why the dysfunctional cycle must be interrupted.

Incidentally, Jamaica is not the backward country being portrayed by the media - it is a beautiful country, with wonderful warm people, and a new start there filled with possibilities. I think a person could blossom there.

3nanny6 apology accepted. It was a misunderstanding on both our parts, I think

I'm no expert either and often we don't know what our teenagers get up to - some of the tales I have heard 20 years on have made me shudder but often from the chances they took and in fact the way they took on bullies which could have got them into trouble from the bullies.
It must be difficult to be a single parent with four boys but often a father is more able to exert some discipline with boys than a single mother.

It is just a pity that this father didn't follow his son's care through for the years from 16 to his deportation now at 23. I'm not sure about him making a good life in Jamaica unless he has other family there.

ananimous Jamaica may be a beautiful country but it has a very high crime rate, particularly with drug related crime Sending them more criminals just doesn't seem fair.

I would love some suggestions on how to stop the dysfunctional cycle.

Here are a few;feed children properly, engage them in education without a results driven focus, engage parents and target those who are struggling,have a well rescourced and accessible youth service, listen to the people on the ground who actually know what they are talking about.

Greymar great suggestions but we know they won't happen under this government.
To all those posting about how good parenting can stop children getting into criminality, it can't. I have seen lovely families devastated by a child who manages to make the wrong choices and mix with the wrong people. However what more cash and education can get you is bettter legal representation and therefore less likelyhood of a prison sentence for a first offence. You can then use your cash to move away from the bad influences. Unfortunately if you are poor you've had it.

A small input from a Youth Worker can turn kids around, I've seen it.

I’m amazed that anyone would think it’s unfair to send criminals back to their country of birth because there are already many criminals there, but it’s apparently completely ok to keep them in the UK where there are also many criminals if the reports of over full prisons are anything to go by. Seems like a sort of inverse racism to me.

Good parenting does help keep children on the right tracks. Of course some may still astray, but there’s a smaller risk.

I'm amazed that anyone fails to recognise that the risk of going astray and being caught is linked inevitably to where you live, your income and your ethnic origins.
And that anyone would compare UK crime rates with that of a country like Jamaica and try to bring racism into it!
Interestingly enough the Queen remains Head of State for Jamaica perhaps she should take some responsibility for these people who foolishly believed in British justice.

Scotland is sending 48 Polish criminals back to Poland according to Scotsman.com.

Well it is obviously got something to do with racism trisheras nobody has been up in arms about criminals from other countries being repatriated!!

I’m certainly not unaware that educational achievement, health outcomes, low birthweight, crime, and a host of other things are affected by income, location, and ethnic origin, but I’m interested as to why some people think crime rates in different countries can’t be compared. Why not?
However when people regularly decry their own country and it’s people but are sympathetic towards other countries and their people, it comes across as a form of inverted racism.

I suppose a lot depends on who you count as 'it's people'

I guess it means the people who live there Greymar.

Ananimous;

You have posted "Incidentally Jamaica is not a backward country, it is a beautiful country.

I will agree that Jamaica is a beautiful country and even more beautiful if you like to take your holiday within the large complexes and keep safe and do not venture out into the more rough tough areas where you can run into a lot of violence and crime and stand the chance of getting shot if you should upset anyone.
In regard of someone "blossoming" after being sent back to Jamaica can I just ask you "What planet are you living on?" go and do some research or take a holiday out in St Katherines or maybe Kingston but not on any complexes over in Montego Bay. Let us all know how you get on.

I am hearing much worse news about my country the U.K. and I am reserving my sympathies for the two sets of parents of Jack Merrick and Saskia Jones apparently two wonderful young people with all their lives in front of them
and all they wanted to do was help those less fortunate than themselves. This country needs to make it a top priority to do everything it can to tackle and wipe out all this killing in the name of a religion, to make it safe where our next generation of our grand-children can walk our streets and not worry where the next attack will come from.

I am tiring of this thread now as these deportations will continue as long as people have no confirmed U.K. status and keep going on about will not change that.

If they are criminals then that's fine .
Why should we have the expense of keeping them.
But I don`t think the none criminals should go back that`s totally out of order.

What is a criminal? A phone stealer, a rapist, a con man , a fraud?

Well the man who had been in jail for drug offences and violence, who on his release killed his girlfriend with a hammer in front of her 6 year old daughter.

The "County Lines" drug dealers.

Why should they remain in the U.K. if they are not "legally entitled to be here"?

The point I was trying t make was instead of clamouring for "send them back" , it might be worth trying to differentiate between a violent psychopath and a young man who committed theft or car theft,did the sentence and then was rehabilitated.

Clearly, a total waste of time. Send the back is much more catchy.

Criminal means someone who has committed a crime. If a person steals a mobile phone they are a criminal. The usual pattern of criminality is that less serious crimes are committed and lead on to more serious crimes. Normally a person is not put into prison until many crimes have been committed, unless the judge deems the crime to be serious, or unless there is a statuary prison sentence for a certain crime ie murder. It is not up to us to decide what is a crime, or a serious crime, it is laid down in law.

Funny isn't it how some post comments alleged to support an idea but which on further investigation prove to be no such thing. The 48 Poles to be deported from Scotland are held under EU arrest warrants for crimes committed here but also crimes committed in Poland. They were fighting extradition on grounds that the Polish government is now too right wing. They came here as adults and many breached bail. www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scotland-to-extradite-48-criminals-back-to-poland-after-landmark-ruling-1-4921164
Of course I suppose now we are Brexited EU arrest warrants might no longer be worth the paper they are written on.