Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

They have abused the country that gave them a home.

They were born here. Raised here. Didnt ask to be here. We made them. If theyre criminals theyre home grown and should be our problem to address

Well either would be good GrannyGravy and Greymar, but as I see it the problem is that people don’t go to prison for their first offence, or early offences, unless it’s murder or rape of course, so the track record for these people appears to have been poor with regard to offences.
Please correct me if anyone knows with certainty that I’m wrong.

I didn’t make them notanan, and I take absolutely no responsibility for their behaviour. My children are not criminals, I influenced them.

They were born here. Raised here. Didnt ask to be here. We made them. If theyre criminals theyre home grown and should be our problem to address

They weren't born here

That's the whole point!

Instead of deporting the white one, we elected him. #racismintheuk #classwar

Hmmm, I wonder who you’re thinking of Gaga

I think the point is that these people weren’t born here AND weren’t citizens of the UK.

If they were born here and had UK citizenship it would not be possible to deport them.

I have some sympathy for those who are being deported however there is still the fact of the matter that some of them (perhaps not them all) have been incarcerated for some serious crimes which we should not forget were punishable through the courts. I did not make the law but as things stands the Home Office will repatriate these Jamaican Nationals to their birth country as in the words of the Home Office to protect the interests of the British people.

I an more interested why there is suddenly media coverage for these charter flights as they have been going on for years
Nobody has mentioned that at Gatwick Airport there are two holding centres, one is Brook House and very close by there is a second centre also for immigration holding. Brook House is for the detention of criminal types and the other holding centre is for those detainees without criminal convictions. Over the years the holding centre where the detainees have no criminal convictions only being they came here many years ago and illegally did not return to Jamaica they too are subject to deportation some of them having been in the U.K. for 10, 15 or even 20 years, and still they cannot get legal status and are being deported.
I do have a higher sympathy with those who have no serious criminal convictions and have known two Jamaican Nationals after being in the U.K. for 14 years were taken by immigration and subsequently boarded on a Jamaican charter flight and sent back. That was almost five years ago,
and I still keep contact with them, and I will not listen to people who say they can integrate back into the country they came from. Jamaica is a poor and impoverished country and there is hardly any work much of the areas are violent and crime ridden and just staying alive is a daily struggle for most. Nearly all deportees will not get the chance to return to U.K as if you have been deported you are banned from returning. The system is cruel to some of these people even though they committed no serious crime and do not have a criminal record.

3nanny6 I have some sympathy with your post. Deportations have been going on for years. I looked up the official figures and there have been thousands of them. I honestly don't know enough about the current cases, but it does seem strange that some of them are allegedly historic offences, the people have served their sentences and, as far as we know, haven't committed further offences.

I'm afraid I wouldn't trust a word of the government's claims, so it would be good to know the truth.

I think there needs to be some action on:

a) ensuring that everybody who came to the UK as a child knows the position with regard to applying for citizenship and the system should be as easily accessible as possible for those who are eligible. My understanding is that these people have been treated differently on the basis of citizenship.

b) there should be an urgent review of the way different groups are sentenced. If it's true that some ethnic groups are given harsher sentences for the same crimes, that needs to stop.

In addition to the above, the country needs to face up to the fact that racism still exists in the UK. Boys from black West Indian backgrounds (not African) have the worst educational outcomes and are more likely to drift into criminal activities.

* I meant Caribbean not West Indian.

Thank-you growstuff and my post set out how I see the deportation system is set up.
In regard of Jamaican Nationals being deported for just the reason of being in the U.K. and failing to return is high numbers. Obviously they should use their time to legitimise their status if possible but that is not an easy task.
Our church tried to help one of my friends (Jamaican National) we collected some money to start him off with a lawyer and you cannot imagine the cost of these fees and how much money a lawyer wants it starts running into thousands. The Home Office will then start saying we are going to deport you on such and such a date and if the lawyer has not been paid extra money he will then stop his work on the case so it is all a vicious circle.

In regard of the U.K. you are right that out of the ethnic minority groups statistics show that black/Caribbean boys are below the standards of other ethnic groups. In many towns you will find that they have Asian Welfare Trusts and these basically look after the Pakistani groups and those in the Islam schools, also you find that the Sikh community can look after their own very independently but the black /Jamaican do fall short in having such a backed up community status and need stronger leadership.
I sometimes do not like the policies of Sajid Javid but that is only my opinion and not the opinion of all.

growstuff
^ In addition to the above, the country needs to face up to the fact that racism still exists in the UK. Boys from black West Indian backgrounds (not African) have the worst educational outcomes and are more likely to drift into criminal activities.^

I think you will find the worst educational outcomes are in white working class hoys.
How does that sit with your racism claim?
Schools do not practice apartheid. Children from all classes, cultures and religions are in the same classes, taught by the same teachers (even in private education, unless specifically selective). So the opportunities are there for all.

Joelsnan I know you left a comment to growstuff and I am just pointing out that what you say in regard of the educational outcomes in white working class boys are quite rightly so not always good.
I never made any comments of racism in regard of black/Caribbean boys I only made my comparisons to other B.M.E. groups.

I would point out that statistics have shown that there is a high proportion of white males and black males serving custodial sentences possibly a high ratio of white males as black males. Depending on what geographical area you were looking at would define the white population in the prison to the black population. It shows that white males living in predominantly white area make up a higher proportion of the prison population and then black males living in a predominantly black area would make up the prison population for that area. In all it would probably be about the same numbers.
In regard of the prison population I would just say that prisons are full of Asian men and I very rarely hear of them being legally deported which is after all what this thread is about. Perhaps if some of them were returned to there other countries then we may hear a lot less of these terrible crimes we hear about,

#SkyNews on Twitter Deportations between 2015-2019 average per year -

Romanians 1700
Polish 1200
Lithuania 600
Pakistan 800
China 300
Vietnam 210
Nigeria 350
Jamaica 220

If this is accurate Black people are not doing n the majority of those deported

Oops “in the majority”

That's a good list GrannyGravy and as I asked in one of my previous posts on this thread .
"Why this sudden media coverage on these Jamaican charter flights" as they have been going on for years.?

I am glad to see that Pakistan had 800 deported as look at all the serious crimes over the last couple of years. The thing is you very rarely get big media coverage for deportations to Pakistan in fact the last one I remember was one of those clerics inciting hate crime and that was ages ago.

Joelsnan being born here hasnt =ed automatic citizenship since 1983!

There are Windrush descendants who didnt know they werent British until they faced deportation, because when their parents came they were told their children would be citizens... then the goal posts changed!

3nanny6
The issue with British Asians is that their parents will have secured permanent residency or they are children of those who arrived in UK before 1973 and are therefore often 3rd generation and born here. They are on the whole actual citizens of the UK. I am sure any found to be here illegally would be deported just as other nationalities are.

notanan2
I think you will note the 1973 immigration act does not confer automatic citizenship on children born to parents with no permanent right to remain. One parent must have been a British citizen and if this is the father then there has to have been proof of marriage at the time of birth.

Shouldn't people who have served a sentence being given the right to show they have reformed?

Possibly yes, if it's their first offence. But if they've been a persistent offender, you have to to ask how many chances we're willing to give before they can be deemed to be beyond reformation. I can't help but wonder what the victims of the rapes, woundings, violent assaults and drug dealings think about us keeping the criminals here, in the devine hope that they will see the error of their ways and lead a productive and law abiding life.

3nanny6, a high proportion of Jamaican prisoners cannot be assigned to a geographical area. They are over-represented in the prison population and arrested upon arrival for bringing drugs into the country:

www.africanecho.co.uk/deborah-oct13.html

If people are arrested on arrival for bringing drugs into the country, then that is presumably because they are carrying drugs into the country. I can’t think of a single mitigating reason why, in the case of bringing drugs into the country, people should not be arrested.

GrannyGravy,
Thank you for the list, it is extremely interesting, and totally puts paid to the clearly completely incorrect assumption that black people are unfairly targeted for deportation. So racism it is not.

Well done GrannyGravy and maddyone for your reasoned and sensible posts.?
It certainly isn’t a black versus white people as far as deportations are concerned, statistics show that more white people are deported overall.
They are only given prison sentences after all else has failed, so will no doubt have been up in court many times.
There are enough really good causes to have sympathy with......this isn’t one of them.