Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

joelsnan prior to 1983 if you were born here to non citizens who had leave you remain or settled status you were a citizen. Your parents did not need to natralise. Then it changed

While I don't condone their crimes, I expect our judicial system to treat people fairly. Realistically, there will always be drug mules arriving as long as there's demand here and poverty in their countries.

People who have already been sentanced by the courts shouldnt be sentanced again by the home office

Absolutely Hetty, and if those drug mules are discovered carrying illegal drugs into the country, it seems completely reasonable that they should be arrested, and if they are not citizens of the UK, then deported aswell. I don’t care if they are black or white, but I do care that they should feel the full brunt of the law.

Here we go again. The remainers have found a new hobby horse. There can be no linking the deportation of serious criminals to racism. Is the law passed under Labour in 2007 a law rooted in racism? Or did the MP s of the day not really understand what they were voting for? As to some comments that appear to have been removed from this thread, is there anyone outside the radical Corbynista fraternity who positively does want serious criminals in the country? The law does not allow for the deportation of British citizens so we can do little about this. On the other hand, the law of the land does support the removal of dangerous citizens. I am afraid Tricia, if I may spell it correctly, you have a bizarre understanding of nation, borders, citizenship and related matters.

notanan2
^ Under section 11(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981,^ ^a person automatically became a British citizen on 1 January 1983 if immediately before that date they:
• were a citizen of the UK and Colonies (CUKC)
• had the right of abode in the UK under section 2 of the Immigration Act 1971 as then in force^

Jamaica gained independence in 1962 and was no longer a British Colony. I presume Jamaicans were aware of and celebrated their new, non colonial status.
As a result of their ‘non colonial’ status, immigrants from this area were still allowed free entry to UK, however this was amended by the 1963 act and tightened further by the 1971 act. From this date automatic residency ceased apart from one or two exceptions. New arrivals post that date have always needed to apply for permanent residency as per 1971 criteria.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/820363/british-citizenship-automatic-acquisition-v3.0-ext.pdf

notanan2
So, according to your criteria a foreign Imam known to be radicalising young men and inciting them to terrorist acts should not be deported back to their own country, because they had been tried by a court of law, the Home Office should not protect both the young vulnerable men and the rest of the country.

What on earth has the EU got to do with the discussion?

You might well ask Greymar

Would any of those cheering on like to comment on the case of Chevon Brown?

I’m afraid you’ll have to enlighten me, who is Chevron Brown?

Re Chevon Brown
He was supposedly brought here by his father at age 14, he must have reasonable knowledge of Jamaica at that age. By the age of 16 he was in local authority care. It was not a simple driving offence.
Apparently his father has lived here for 20 years therefore if. his father has British citizenship, he would understand that he needed to apply for the same rights for any children brought here.

Greymar
At least the streets and roads of Oxford are safer now that he's not driving on them.

Joelsnan I Googled Chevon Brown, but didn't find any details about him being in local authority care (not that I understand the relevance) nor that it wasn't about a simple driving offence. If you have any further authoritative details, I'd be grateful if you could post them.

As for his father knowing that his son would need to know that his children would need to apply for rights, I'm not totally convinced. Firstly, some people really don't know their way around the system. Secondly, it really can cost thousands of pounds for some people to be granted citizenship, which is money some people don't have. I would imagine some people just shrug their shoulders and think they didn't need to go through all their hoops and don't understand why others do. (Let's face it - we see that kind of attitude on GN all the time.) Thirdly, if he really was in local authority care, shouldn't the local authority have ensured that he applied for whatever he was eligible?

I'm not a rabid Corbynista nor do I think that the UK should be a save haven for all the world's criminals, but I do think there's something not quite right. Unfortunately, facts seem a bit thin on the ground, which is why I'd be grateful for any, if you have them.

growstuff
Oxford Mail
www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17420921.home-office-deports-oxfords-chevon-brown-jamaica/

Thanks for the link Joelsnan.

As far as I can tell, he came to the UK at age 14 and was then placed in care at 16. I have no idea why.

During that time (or not long afterwards), it was presumably never explained to him that he should apply for British citizenship, if he wanted to remain in the UK. At some time, he committed a serious driving offence and served a prison sentence. There is nothing in the article to indicate he has ever committed any other offence.

I'm not excusing what he did, but there are plenty of British citizens who have done the same or similar. He's served his time in prison.

If he had been a British citizen, presumably he would be allowed to get on with his life. If he hadn't committed the crime, presumably he would be eligible to apply for British citizenship.

If I were him, I'd feel fairly miffed at being branded as a serious criminal alongside murders and rapists - unless there's some further evidence.

BTW

Interesting that the Guardian article about Chevon Brown

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/ripped-from-my-family-deportee-struggles-cope-jamaica-chevon-brown

was written by Amelia Gentleman, who is Boris Johnson's sister in law. It's becoming increasingly clear why Jo Johnson resigned.

growstuff
I think I would be asking the questions of:
Why was he placed in care?
His father says he ‘went off the rails’. He blames the care system but states he could not deal with him. It looks like there was no contact between father and son from him going into care until he got notice of his sons deportation.
Surely the father would be the one responsible for ensuring the sons residency status, obviously this was not checked by the school or Oxford Social Services. I don’t know if you have to show a birth certificate or other to register at a school.
Where is the mother in this?
Could it be that she is in Jamaica
I would be interested to know if the driving offence was his first and only one.

My friend didn't find out she wasn't a British citizen until she was in her late 20s and wanted to get married.

She had been fostered as a child, along with her brother. Her biological parents lived in Nigeria.

I agree with you Joelsnan. I just don't know enough details, so I'm not swayed by the father's complaints nor that he deserved to be deported as a dangerous criminal.

I feel very uncomfortable about this case.

The article state that the mother went to the US - perhaps she's still there.

I've heard about similar case Missadventure. That's why, as a matter of urgency, I think there needs to be a government initiative to make sure that people know their rights and to make sure that those who are eligible for British citizenship, apply and that it's affordable and accessible.

Thank you for the information ladies, I hadn’t any idea who he was. It seems he was deported around a year ago. Neither his father nor Social Services legitimised his status. I think the mother is in the USA. Pupils usually need to show a birth certificate or other legal document when they register at school, but the school would not have given any advice re legitimising his residency status, so probably a birth certificate was shown, or possibly a passport.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I had to show a birth certificate when my own children (now 22 and 27) started school.

To be honest, I can’t remember whether or not I did, but I’m thinking I did. However I was thinking of the schools I taught in, and parents definitely had to show some sort of documentation, usually a birth certificate, to show that the child was the correct age for starting school. But that’s for starting school, I don’t know what happened if the children changed schools, or if newly arrived children had to show any evidence of age.