Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

Racism, lack of compassion, responsibility to the people of Jamaica.

Lord give me strength.
Some of the comments on here are truly unbelievable.
What about compassion to the victims! What about responsibility to the people who live in this country! And frankly I don’t care if they’re white, black, brown, or sky blue pink with a yellow border!
They are violent criminals who have abused the country they have been living in, how absolutely disgraceful. They deserve to be deported. They are not citizens of this country. We owe them nothing.

So a life in Jamaica is worth less than a life in Britain, you do realise that is what you are saying maddyone

Would you like to deport all criminals Maddy and put them on an island somewhere and forget about them?

Violent criminals should have exactly the same travel rights as other criminals do around the world.

If someone commits a serious crime in the UK and is not a citizen of the UK they should be deported.......regardless of colour, religion or anything else.

It is common sense to most people that you respect the laws of the country you are residing in, to not do so you forfeit the right to remain in said country.

Where did I say a Jamaican life is worth less than a life in Britain trisher? Please quote.
Are you saying a British life is worth less than a Jamaican life?
Mumofmadboys, you’re being silly now aren’t you!

maddyone if as you seem to be saying one of these people is a murderer who has served a sentence in prison, but who you consider still a threat you are deporting them to Jamaica where presumably they will still be a threat. The only difference being it will be a Jamaican life at threat and not a British one.

mumofmadboys
How much has racism led to these people getting into trouble in the first place? We only have to look at outcomes for black lads to see how badly they do generally.

Why is it that the outcomes bad? They have exactly the same opportunities as all children in the UK. The race card is being blown totally out of proportion nowadays.

Trisher,
Are you saying that a British life is worth less than a Jamaican life? Or that Britain somehow deserves what it gets since these people lived here?
No, what I am saying is that these people are not the responsibility of Britain because they are not British. They have abused the country that gave them a home. They were not being deported because they are Jamaican or because they are black (are they black? White people live in Jamaica too.) They are not being deported because of racism or religion or anything other than the fact that they committed serious crimes. It’s really not difficult to understand.
Obviously I understand that you don’t agree with it, perhaps you could try to understand that I do agree with it.

Race issues:-

"Anne-Marie Canning, director of social mobility and student success at King’s College London, said that white working-class boys “are the most under-represented group in higher education” and deserved special attention"

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/10/white-working-class-boys-in-england-need-more-help-to-go-to-university

Why are more black lads subjected to stop and search? Why are a higher proportion of black lads in prison? Why are you more likely to be unemployed if you are black?

Good questions

What on earth has that got to do with deportation? Start a thread if you want to discuss it.
maddyone I think if these people are persistant offenders (and there is substantial evidence to show manyof them are not) we are in a better position to monitor them and to regulate them than Jamaica is and that therefore we should look more closely at the whole system. If they are to be deported it shouldn't be on an ad-hoc basis of a plane load of people but should be done carefully with full cooperation between all the authorities concerned, so that Jamaica, if it accepts them understands and has all the details of the criminal activity they may bring with them. Because if they are a threat everyone Bitish, Jamaican or any other nationality deserves proper protection.

mumofmadboys you can also add to your very good points the fact that there is credible, official evidence that like for like crime, black males are 1.4 times more likely to receive an immediate custodial sentence than their white counterparts.

trisher I have lived in these poorer areas and have seen at first hand the difference between those who choose not to break the law and those who do. Both sets have the same problems, the same set backs, the same educational opportunities. I know of brothers where two have worked and made something of themselves and one became a criminal.

The 1.4 figure is for drug offences but it’s true overall across all offences that black males receive custodial sentences disproportionally to white males for the same crimes.

“If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.”

Said on the steps of Downing Street by someone who should know

Old I think the problem is that overall statistics will always mask individual differences. Statistics can tell us that one group are more or less likely to break the law/ do poorly at school/ vote Conservative/smoke/ be obese. What they can’t tell us is why this does not apply to everyone in that group. It’s about probabilities that should then inform the direction of specific areas of research. Some of the best research I ever read decades ago on lack of educational achievement and the working class, started from the statistical fact that working class children did less well at school. The researchers then took a group of educationally successful working class children and did in depth research into why, against the trend, they had succeeded. Fascinating ( and I found out why I had as well)

I think the questions I raised earlier are very pertinent to this discussion. Jamaican lads may have ended up in prison for a drug offence while a white lad with a similar offence was fined and did community service.

At least the in Jamaica they do not have the same racial bias as is experienced in this country.

Exactly mum exactly

Sign??? No way...No passport/Committed a crime/Leave!

See if any other country offers you the freedoms you enjoyed here. Absolutely no sympathy for those that wreak havoc in our society.
And that's from the child of an immigrant.

Can those who advocate deporting criminals explain if they see it as fair that someone should serve a prison sentence here and then be deported? Wouldn't it be cheaper, fairer and more effective if they were just deported when they are found guilty? Or does this link the process far too closely to transportation something we stopped doing in the UK ages ago? And is deportation just the same process under another name?

Commit a crime, get prosecuted, serve your sentence and then get deported.

or commit a crime, get prosecuted, serve your sentence and grow up a bit and contribute to the greater good?

At least the in Jamaica they do not have the same racial bias as is experienced in this country.

But they wont be accepted as Jamaicans in Jamaica because often they have no links at all there. The whole families came here a generation or two ago. They are seen as brits and often targeted. It can be a death sentance.