Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

My youngest child started school in 2002 and I honestly don't remember having to show his birth certificate or ay other evidence that he was entitled to be in the UK. When did the rules change?

It may be individual authorities, I don’t know, but in the schools I worked in, a birth certificate had to be shown, but it was to establish age, not residency. We occasionally had children where there was no birth certificate as the children were born abroad, then they were issued with some sort of identity card in Britain, and that was shown.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Chevon Brown's deportation, his father can hardly blame the care system for moulding him into the man he is. He was unable to control him, Chevon got taken into care at 16 - until when? It is not compulsory after age 16, is it, purely voluntary until 18.
Father said he wasn't listening to me then claims he would have been able to keep him on track. Where has the father been for the last 7 years? Not keeping his son on track evidently.

The son has been deported after serving his sentence for dangerous joyriding possibly because his father did not regularise his status for him.
I would think that his father failed him and is blaming everyone else.

We also had quite a lot of single parents, and the birth certificate would name both parents. We also had to be sure that there was a legal right for either parent to collect a child, rather off topic I know. It all got a bit complicated as the years went by, and the make up of families changed and we had far more families from abroad.

I agree with you Callistemon, the father let down his son. I hope the other three sons have legitimised their residency status now they’ve seen what can happen.

Yes, I wondered about that and thought that they must have done.

I think there is a lot of blame shifting and lack of parental responsibility generally. These ghastly cases where small children are abused and killed, relatives appear crying and blaming various agencies.

The shifting of responsibility is not confined to this case.

That does seem to happen doesn’t Greymar?

Hetty58 your post on Feb.20 18.22 ; you included my name in a message and stated that Jamaicans coming into the country carrying drugs cannot make up for any geographic region of the prison population;

I think on looking back that in my post I was in fact answering someone else who complained that it was white boys who are failing most in school. My answer in regard of white males and black males in prison referred to British born black males and I state again that the statistics of black and white males within the prison system is almost the same in number. I made no reference to"Jamaican" black males carrying drugs into the country, that was your own assumption and it seems that some posters on here want to get back to the old stereo-type of the Jamaican drugs mule.

In regard of Chevon Browns case I have never heard of him until this coverage of the charter flights, I think GN posters are being insensitive to completely blame his father for everything. It was his son and that is why he tried to do his best by bringing him out of Jamaica, it's not easy keeping young men on track and they have strong forceful minds he is not the first and will not be the last who has tried but had things go wrong show a bit of empathy for that young men who may go back to Jamaica and have nothing.

This fresh new start could help them to turn their life around, and get them away if it is a "bad crowd/drug dealers" influencing them.

Bad parenting seems to underly these cases, but society has to be prepared to set boundaries where parenting fails.

Jamaica isn't really the ideal place to get away from drug dealers, especially if you have no job or close family.

It definitely isn’t is it growstuff, but Chevron Brown wasn’t found guilty of anything to do with drugs, I understand it was dangerous driving he was convicted of.

3nanny6 I don't think we are showing a lack of empathy for Chevon Brown, rather we, at least I, question why his father should try to absolve himself of all responsibility for his son. I also question why he went into care age 16 (which may not have been compulsory at that age) and why now the father blames anyone but himself. Why has he not been there for his son for the last 7 years?

By sending Chevron Brown back into Jamaica apparently to give him a fresh start and turn his life around is just absurd.

Jamaica to get away from drug dealers? it's worse over there than it is here, his family he has are in U.K. so no support of close family no work no money.
The country is living in poverty and last year some areas even had complete shutdowns by Jamaican police because of the huge rise in violence and gun crime.

I can think of many times when my parenting was less than ideal. Also many times when I did stupid and foolhardy things as a young person.

But you are not blaming everyone else Greymar.

It was a year ago and I wonder what has happened to the young man since then; he should probably have been given a chance to turn his life round here - if his family here was willing to help.

He has a mother in the USA, perhaps he could go to live with her.
No lack of empathy for him, I agree with Callistemon.

No-one's arguing that point 3nanny6

They are questioning a father who, by even his own admission, had not bothered to see his son for years saying he couldn't deal with his behaviour, but now blames others for his son's crime and deportation.

Callistemon,

I in all truth do not know much about that young man as I have already said. His father did bring him here to try and look after him and for whatever reason could not keep him in control. I already said that he will not be the first or last parent not able to control the lifestyle of his son.
What indeed do you think we are seeing on the streets of London and other areas? we are seeing young black males killing and murdering each other on a regular basis I cannot remember the last count but it was high. What are all those parents saying? they too are saying they cannot cope with what is happening on their doorsteps and they blame government for the closure of all youth facilities etc budget cuts and lack of funding do you want anymore spelt out for you?

Greymar, I think we all made mistakes as young people and as young parents. Nonetheless, I didn’t end up with a criminal record, nor did my children. That’s not because we weren’t caught, it’s because we didn’t do things that were illegal. I’m afraid if people break the law, they must accept the consequences. Having said that I didn’t think anyone was deported for a driving offence. It was of course an extremely serious driving offence, to drive at 100 miles per hour, through a residential area, without insurance, and without a license, is extremely serious, and shows a complete disregard for the lives of others. Thankfully it appears that he didn’t kill anyone, but that appears to be more luck than judgement.

3nanny6

Of course the parents are blaming the government, who else would they blame?
Or perhaps they could have a look at their own parenting over the years.

Just to Maddyone, I think you said he has a mother in the U.S.A so perhaps he could go and live with her.

I do not know if this is correct but if Chevon Brown has a criminal record then the U.S.A. will not allow him to go there, also there maybe rules about deportees going to U.SA. I am not sure but easily looked up on google.

There is absolutely no need to be so rude 3nanny

You say you hadn't heard of Chevon Brown before this thread but are suddenly an expert.
Those parents of other wayward youngsters do not all just abandon them then blame others.

do you need it spelt out to you?

I feel sorry for that particular young man, his mother in America, his father abandoned him and can see why he went off the rails. It doesn't happen to all of course.

3nanny6, I know the USA won’t accept people with criminal records, I’m not sure about people who have been deported. I assume the authorities in the USA are trying to protect their own population from criminals, given that they have a large criminal population in the USA as I understand it. I was trying, perhaps not very well, to illustrate that other countries refuse to accept people with criminal records.

Callistemon an apology is offered and I may have sounded rude.
I will never think I am an expert in the immigration laws or parents that have trouble in dealing with their own children if I was an expert I would not have had to work so hard with my own when they were younger and believe me I had one son and I needed eyes in the back of my head keeping up with him when he got to his teens. I think it is the boys that can go off the rails much more than the girls if not parented with plenty of discipline.

So apology sent for any rudeness.