Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

suziewoozie. anniezzz09

What do you think about the CETA (Canada) deal?

Do either of you think it is a possibility?

Broad brush answer POGS is no - we are too close geographically for the EU to agree to that. There will be no deal

I don't think he's capable of negotiating. Not as a dig, I just don't think he has got the skills. If it can't be done remotely, aka done by Cummings with BJ's signature, it ain't going to be done.

Nobody voted for some sort of deal

Well it certainly was not on the referendum paper was it?

I think that there were ( and still are) a lot of people in this country who voted leave and do not want a deal with the EU, so BJ may well do well by them. If you look across the media and across the internet instead of sticking to social media like this here, you might be surprised at what a lot of people in this country are thinking, feeling and saying quietly amongst themselves.

I have said this before and will say it again, GN is not typical of what people in many places think or say and that crosses many topics.

I say the above without any comment on my own views so please do not try to assume or second guess them.

Haven't the EU already said that a Canada type deal will not be possible? I thought the geographical distance was important and the fact that Canada's trade with the EU was a small proportion only of total trade.

I think he's going for no deal, too.

If the present shenanigans (trying to wriggle out of the NI border checks) stymie any FTA with the EU they may well find that the US Senate isn't minded to agree to a deal with the UK, either, if it imperils the GFA. Lots of voters of Irish descent in the US.

I do think that we will end up with something that we will just have to put up with

Statements like this make me want to bang my head against a brick wall. WTF is all this pain for? What happened to the sunny uplands and cake and unicorns?

people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!

Portugal has the right to decide to bend over backwards with UK citizens if it wishes to, for sure. And yes, the travel/tourism industry is massively important to them- as it is to many EU countries, and Switzerland. But this cannot be imposed on the other 26.

Johnson has signed a withdrawal agreement based on the concept of a level playing field, and borders between UK and EU - and you are right- it does not 'make sense' as it can't be done, and he never had any intention to respect this. Whatever happens, he will have to take the 'blame' and responsibility- not the EU. But all will be damaged, badly- but the UK most of all. The EU countries have each other to export and import to, and as a whole, have a much much stronger position to negotiate great Trade Deals as a block- than the UK.

^people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!^

There are many words I would like to use in response to your comment too but if I did I would very soon be banned. I saw this happen to someone a while ago.

You are not the tolerant debating kind of person are you?

But, I will say, once you have to reduce yourself to such phrases, you have lost the debate anyway.

The UK will have to trade with the EU and agree on a whole range of other issues. It's absolute nonsense to think we can just cut ourselves adrift completely.

If no deal is reached with the EU, the UK will have to trade on WTO terms, so there will be a deal by default. The problem is that it's unlikely to be beneficial to the UK and there will still be 100s of other issues to be sorted.

I absolutely agree with anniezz09's judgement...

This is destroying the UK in every way possible. Our independence, our reputation, our standing in world diplomacy and our economy.

suziewoozie

'Broad brush answer POGS is no - we are too geographically for the EU to agree to that. There will be no deal'
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I keep hearing the same point being made re the CETA deal and it won't happen because of our ' geographical ' closeness to the EU.

What and why does it mean?? Can you give any examples?

anniezzz09 Sun 23-Feb-20 18:16:54

'Haven't the EU already said that a Canada type deal will not be possible? I thought the geographical distance was important and the fact that Canada's trade with the EU was a small proportion only of total trade.'
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I keep hearing the same point being made re the CETA deal and it won't happen because of our ' geographical ' closeness to the EU.

What and why does it mean?? Can you give any examples?

Well what I understand it to mean is that because we are geographical close, they wouldn’t want us to have a deal as good as they have with Canada because we’d use it more than Canada do and this would be to the detriment of the EU

GagaJo Sun 23-Feb-20 18:02:47

'I don't think he's capable of negotiating. Not as a dig, I just don't think he has got the skills. If it can't be done remotely, aka done by Cummings with BJ's signature, it ain't going to be done.'
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What is your opinion of the UK Negotiating team led by David Frost?

anniezzz09 Sun 23-Feb-20 18:20:37

'people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!'
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That is the sort of post that has been trotted out ad nauseum and perversely on occasion denied, even by those who say it.

It is certainly trotted out by the stupid, ill informed and arrogant.

Jura

Thank you for replying.

You say ' But this cannot be imposed on the other 26 ' and I totally agree, that was not even a consideration in my mind.

The question was would the EU permit one of the 27 Member States to ' unilaterally ' proceed with what the Portuguese have put forward as a ' potential ' possibility.

I doubt David Frost has any autonomy at all and will do and say exactly as he’s told

Not sure, interesting question.

Portugal also used to allow expats not to pay tax- but the new socialist Government has realised it is far too expensive, and far too divisive too. I imagine the same will happen. Healthcare cost for 1000s of older Brits will very likely prove to be massively expensive.

suziewoozie Sun 23-Feb-20 18:54:20

' Well what I understand it to mean is that because we are geographical close, they wouldn’t want us to have a deal as good as they have with Canada because we’d use it more than Canada do and this would be to the detriment of the EU'
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Why would the EU doing more trade from one ' third country' to another ' third country ' mean a deal is not viable ? or deemed as being ' detrimental ' to the EU ?

If the UK as a ' third country ' bought more goods, did more trade in the EU than Canada, Japan, South Korea et al is that now deemed as being a bad trade deal?

Surely the more trade any ' third country ' does with the EU that is a win for the EU.!

suziewoozie Sun 23-Feb-20 19:13:32

'I doubt David Frost has any autonomy at all and will do and say exactly as he’s told'
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That may well be true, I do not know how much autonomy David Frost may or may not have.

What I find peculiar is there are posters who say Boris Johnson is too thick, won't be negotiating, he couldn't care about negotiations or doing a deal yet we have a Team of negotiators under David Frost working on behalf of the UK Government to which the PM is Boris Johnson.

If David Frost does not have total autonomy the obvious answer is he is getting instruction from someone and that someone is the PM, he who some say is too thick, doesn't care about negotiating or getting a deal.

So how can the question be asked if the PM has any intention of negotiating when negotiations are taking place.?

Aprilrose you say that opinion on GN really isn’t what the people in the country want, say or represent ( am paraphrasing) and I agree with you 100%. I still remember the poster ( not here since the GE) who was stunned by the result and wailed that it wasn’t what she had been reading on social media ( which had Corbyn storming it.) It was because some people are so glued to their own little bubble on social media that they can’t see any further than that.

And perhaps many Brits are so glued to their Little England bubble that they can't see further than that... in fact, take the 'perhaps' away.

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and so here we are, as we predicted, at the beck and call of Trump and the USA - sends shivers down my spine.

Oh come on, why pussy foot around. We KNOW who the real power base is. Boris is the puppet, Cummings is the puppet master.

Cummings will be telling the negotiating team what to do. If they don't do it, they'll be out, just like all the others.

Why do we play this game that pretends otherwise? We all know it. The media reports it.