Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

The point about the Canada/EU deal is that Canada and the EU don't do much trade and abolishing import tariffs is beneficial to both sides. There are no other conditions attached. It doesn't matter too much because Canada and EU aren't in competition with each other for the same markets. The EU doesn't want a very close competitor on its doorstep being able to undercut it with tax concessions and state aid for certain industries, which is what China does.

Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a deal with EU ?

Errrr, No.

WTF is all this pain for?

MaizieD we haven’t even started yet! Nothing painful that I can see or have experienced. You?

That's because you live in a myopic bubble and don't have responsibility for a business with branches in the EU, you don't trade with the EU, you don't live in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar, aren't an EU national living in the UK, don't live in the EU, hadn't made plans to live in an EU country ...

tell that to all those who have already lost their jobs due to factory and business closures due to Brexit- and to all those farmers and fishermen who now realise who badly they will be hit...and to those on trolleys in A&E due to doctor and nursing shortages, and on, and on.

For the rest, have you read my last post, just as an example, re meat safety and welfare, the NHS definitely on table despite all promises to the contrary- and now Trump's USA having a deal to replace our Trident Nuclear deterrent FFS. Is that not enough for you for starters- and it is all being planned, right now- not even the Government has been told FFFFFFFFFFFS.

Am I angry- oh yes.

Thanks for clarifying the detail on the Canada EU deal growstuff .

At the risk of being shot down as a Guardian reader, I think this article is shocking but hardly surprising. The N Ireland border is so important in the negotiations. I am ashamed at the government's attitude.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/brexit-uk-reneging-on-northern-ireland-pledges-risks-trade-deals-with-us-and-eu?

And with regard to what I said earlier about those who put leaving the EU as a priority without knowing what the deal was but because they have some unsubstantiated, incorrect ideas about sovereignty - well sorry but I care about the future of this country, its international status, the future of its young people and the need to live in a world where we cooperate with others without destroying the planet. Little lone Britain run by a deluded man, the power behind the throne who believes that the civil service should be full of weirdos plus all the deterioration of standards so amply set out by Jura and others could never be something I would support as a future.

Very well said anniezzz09!

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

The Brexit Job Loss Index is an attempt to keep track of the number of jobs lost in the UK due to Brexit.

Here are the key stats (last updated 31/01/2020):

*Total Jobs Lost: 436,296
Total Annual Wages Lost*: £12,511,660,392
Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts**: £3,747,289,625.52*

Job Losses By Region

Scotland: 30,223
Midlands: 26,318
North East: 22,324
London: 22,245
Wales 14,265
South West: 13,959
North West: 9,144
South East: 5,095
East of England: 5,027
Northern Ireland: 2,555
Gibraltar: 1,000
Southern England: 870
No specific region: 283,729

Fairly representative head count on Brexit & GN here again!
2 or 3 of us saying it’ll be alright, let’s all wait and see.... and a dozen or so jumping up and down, full of hyperbolic rants.

As an example, isn’t the U.K. the one wanting to end transportation of live animals which is fine with E.U. standards? I think our humane approach is better than stressed animals arriving at abattoirs.

Honestly still so much doom and gloom here on GN. So much angst and fury.

And what about the U.K. offering E.U. nationals already here the right to stay, to work and continue with healthcare? It’s the E.U. who are dragging their feet in providing reciprocal surety!

No-one ever prevented us from stopping live transport.

Why should the EU provide free healthcare when they own citizens have to pay? With EHIC and S1, it is the UK who paid for treatment abroad, not the EU.

And yet jura2 unemployment in the U.K. is the lowest it’s been for xx number of years so if jobs are lost because of Brexit (I’m dubious as it’s not even started yet - I think many already failing businesses have just hung stuff on the Brexit coathanger - it’s so handy right now) then overall, the U.K. workforce is growing.

Square that circle if you will.

I think the EU is not interested in any sort of deal with the UK that doesn't keep them in charge for years to come so, yes, I think we will have to walk away with no deal, which is what should have happened 4 years ago

Here is a square circle for you to solve. How can UK unemployed fill in the 10s of 1000s of vacancies in care homes and agriculture then- if we don't have any unemployed???

Are you going to pick fruit and veg and wipe bottoms?

Schrödiger's immigrant- stealing your job and at the same time being idle and sponging the system... weird- that.

I would never work in a care home. The wages are an insult. T&C are rubbish but there is no union representation so the care home owners get away with it (for now, but that bubble will burst soon). They rely on cheap labour. Others from poorer countries sticking their hands up and saying ‘I’ll do it sir!’ Then sending money back home at a good (in the past) exchange rate where the cost of living is cheaper than here (think Poland years ago).

The care homes are going to have to up their incentives. It’s morally wrong (another issue but hey) for employers to expect workers to graft for miserable wages - they wouldn’t want their own relatives to manage on what they pay!

Ditto fruit pickers.

That ship has sailed. As far as U.K. workers are concerned, it’s time to ‘level up’. Good. Not before time.

unemployment in the U.K. is the lowest it’s been for xx number of years

It's the way the figures are compiled, Ug. Anyone who works for one hour a fortnight is counted as being employed.

We've discussed this on here time and time again.

I would never work in a care home.

Well, why do you think anyone else should do it?

This was covered on another thread very recently. Doesn't anyone ever carry information from one thread to another? Does it always have to be repeated ad infinitum?

Anyone working one hour a fortnight is getting money from elsewhere then. Black market plumber? Hairdresser who comes to your house? Cash in hand to a gardener? Buying from flea markets and selling on via eBay? People can be pretty creative with their lifestyle choices.

Well, why do you think anyone else should do it?

I suggested people would do it for a proper wage. Not being undercut by workers with different motives. It’s shocking how the job, looking after vulnerable people, is paid so shabbily.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

The wind of change is blowing through.

Actually MaizieD I didn’t bring up the topic. Ask jura2 why she’s bringing it up ad nauseum?

Yes, and people in glass care homes foolishly throw stones.

Of course not.

That was in answer to OP.

I really don’t understand how anyone thinks that care homes will simply put up wages so that UK staff will then be willing to work in them. About 85% of care home beds are in the for profit sector. Many of those are owned by large companies which are private equity backed firms. Private equity hedge funds go where the money is - if they can’t make the profits they want, they’ll just pull out and invest elsewhere. You could say an alternative is to put up fees to fund pay rises but about half the beds are funded by las who simply cannot afford to pay more. As it is, self funders are frequently subsidising la residents. Of course las could pay more if they received more and that means tax rises. It’s not going to work is it?

Agreed sw it isn’t going to work. Care homes are big business. The (massive) profits will be hit hard by lack of (cheap) labour. Good. It’s a rotten system.

Changes will have to happen.

No more on this from me ~ MaizieD’s blood pressure will be rising!

Back to the OP and Boris ....

Jura

What do you know about ' Small Buisiness Prices ' as a company to which I believe your post of 21.58 is quoting from?

If I am mistaken and your post is not quoting from ' Small Buisiness Prices ' where and whom does your I formation come from.